Carl Stiegele K97
- Thread starter Greg k97
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Prussian secret police were the main body, but states were allowed to have there own police. The Bavarian secret police eventually from my reading at least leaders became the WWII Gestapo. Just wondering if there is any connection. Could they have been using the SS for their own secret police. Just trying to ask the experts. I am a novice at this.
pzjgr
EOD - bombs and bullets
Did you see this posted by Clay?
"I’ve seen the SS marking attributed to barrel maker Stephan Schilling in the past. Barrels get kind of convoluted with steel suppliers, blank providers, and finishers etc."
Clay and Fal Grunt are two of the most knowledgeable guys on this board when it comes to commercial guns...this is a commercial gun, as pointed out by Fal Grunt..."Behind the recoil lug, the 10197 serial number tells us the "action" is a Mauser Oberndorf manufactured action, sold to the trade." Sold to trade means a gunsmith bought the action from MO to build the rifle, the barrel might be Stephan Schilling, or another barrel supplier using S S as their mark.
"The barrel 172/28 tells us the gun was assembled and proofed pre ~ 1912." Pre 1912 there was no hint of the SS, not even in a dream...pre 1912 is well before WWI even so this has no connection to anything made purposefully for any organization post WWI. Whether somehow this commercial hunting gun found its way into some sort of Police stores somehow, no one can say, very doubtful, and there is no markings that would lead one to that direction...
Iy is what it is, a nice commercial trade made gun...someones high end hunting gun. Enjoy it for what it is, don't try to grasp straws to make it what it is not...
pzjgr
EOD - bombs and bullets
Did you see this posted by Clay?
"I’ve seen the SS marking attributed to barrel maker Stephan Schilling in the past. Barrels get kind of convoluted with steel suppliers, blank providers, and finishers etc."
Clay and Fal Grunt are two of the most knowledgeable guys on this board when it comes to commercial guns (but certainly not the only ones)...this is a commercial gun, as pointed out by Fal Grunt..."Behind the recoil lug, the 10197 serial number tells us the "action" is a Mauser Oberndorf manufactured action, sold to the trade." Sold to trade means a gunsmith or gunmaker bought the action from MO to build the rifle, the barrel might be Stephan Schilling, or another barrel supplier using S S as their mark.
"The barrel 172/28 tells us the gun was assembled and proofed pre ~ 1912." Pre 1912 there was no hint of the SS, not even in a dream...pre 1912 is well before WWI even so this has no connection to anything made purposefully for any organization post WWI. Whether somehow this commercial hunting gun found its way into some sort of Police stores somehow, no one can say, very doubtful, and there is no markings that would lead one to that direction...
It is what it is, a nice commercial trade made gun...someone's high end hunting gun. Enjoy it for what it is, don't try to grasp straws to make it what it is not...
Winchester Cowboy
Senior Member
Greg k97 - I’m still curious and wondering why and if you are still planning to take the barrel off?
That would make a real great photo shoot!
That would make a real great photo shoot!
pzjgr
EOD - bombs and bullets
I am thinking he meant remove the stock from the barreled action to see any barrel markings under the stock, I don't think he meant actually removing the barrel, although that's just a guess on my part...
Winchester Cowboy
Senior Member
I was hoping that too.
Not sure what you mean. I remove the barrel and the reciever for the stock and posted the bottom side of the barrel picture do you mean separating the the barrel from the receiver? Sorry if i am using the wrong terminology. You guy know a lot more than i do. thank you for your time and input.
Winchester Cowboy
Senior Member
I think it was the wording in the sentence that threw us for a loop.
You have all the information you need when you removed the wood stock from the barrel and receiver and could see the bottom of the barrel stamps.
Don’t ever remove the barrel off the receiver.
You have all the information you need when you removed the wood stock from the barrel and receiver and could see the bottom of the barrel stamps.
Don’t ever remove the barrel off the receiver.
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Blackpowderresearcher
Well-known member
I used the wrong term, flute in reference to the barrel shape. It should be flats. Still, the issue is the same with removal. You must have the proper vise rings to hold the flats so they don't become twisted when you remove the barrel, hence my request that the barrel is not removed from the receiver.