1940 147 #2236 g possible depot repair?

[Gman06]

To the left of the barrel serial

 

[heavy_mech]

Gman06, can you get us a clear straight on pic of the firing proof on the barrel?

I see where you are going. I was thinking 'small', like Mainz from the photo in post#2, but seeing the latest shot, that FP is a mess. Someone who really studied depot anomalies might recognize this.

 

[Mauserguy85]

That’s what I was thinking… Mainz or the other depot with the smaller style FP (forgot the name). Reworks are really difficult to positively identify unless they are the XX, XI, etc… at least for me. However if this is fake, somebody knew what they are doing. That’s why I’m having so much trouble saying it’s not legit. It doesn’t follow typical “humper” standards. So I will have to stand by my opinion that it’s real. We need the real “heavy hitters” to chime in!

 

[RyanE]

Spare barrels from 44 (or even after 1941) are very rare. I have seen exactly one, a cxm44 used on an LZa4 repair. It had no 0,2 that i could see. The mark was sometimes ground off by the Luftwaffe, but I didn't see any evidence of that. Very possible they stopped the short chamber marking later on. 0,1 and 0,3 are very rare and it may be they just made them all to 0,2mm after some point.

IMO, this looks like period work. Being late, it may just be an oddity. Mainz seems like a goid guess from the small FP, but I would still like to see a good picture of the grip area behind the rear action screw.

 

[Gman06]

Spare barrels from 44 (or even after 1941) are very rare. I have seen exactly one, a cxm44 used on an LZa4 repair. It had no 0,2 that i could see. The mark was sometimes ground off by the Luftwaffe, but I didn't see any evidence of that. Very possible they stopped the short chamber marking later on. 0,1 and 0,3 are very rare and it may be they just made them all to 0,2mm after some point.

IMO, this looks like period work. Being late, it may just be an oddity. Mainz seems like a goid guess from the small FP, but I would still like to see a good picture of the grip area behind the rear action screw.

Thank you for the input, let me know if these are what you’re looking for. The circle might not be anything just thought I was seeing stuff staring at it so long.

 

[RyanE]

That's definitely sone kind of acceptance, but I can't tell if it's a WaA or depot. If there was another depot stamp, it's probably lost in that damaged area.

 

[Mauserguy85]

@RyanE, I went through pics of most of my late Sauer barrels on my k98k examples and I don’t see any of them with the large eagle 37 like @Gman06 has on the bottom of his example? It looks like a Sauer firing proof to me but the 37 is pretty big. Is that possibly consistent with late sauer supplied spare barrels to repair depots? Have you seen that before? It should indicate that the barrel was “fire tested” and approved by JP Sauer or am I on the wrong track here?

 

[heavy_mech]

@RyanE, I went through pics of most of my late Sauer barrels on my k98k examples and I don’t see any of them with the large eagle 37 like @Gman06 has on the bottom of his example? It looks like a Sauer firing proof to me but the 37 is pretty big. Is that possibly consistent with late sauer supplied spare barrels to repair depots? Have you seen that before? It should indicate that the barrel was “fire tested” and approved by JP Sauer or am I on the wrong track here?

I wondered about this too. It really looks to me like their FP with the 37 hand stamped (you can't see they're not quite aligned) using small part stamps. I wonder how the height of those digits compare with other small part serial numbers?

 

[Mauserguy85]

I wondered about this too. It really looks to me like their FP with the 37 hand stamped (you can't see they're not quite aligned) using small part stamps. I wonder how the height of those digits compare with other small part serial numbers?

Yes, the 37 is definitely not part of that FP stamp. That was hand stamped separately and after that FP. Perhaps it’s some kind of identifying number done by the depot? Knowing how the Germans were with their record keeping and details, it wouldn’t surprise me that it must of coincided with some kind of record keeping. Now I’m just speculating here, so if somebody knows better please be my guest.

 

[RyanE]

I don't think its a WaA37. I think it's an extra fireproof stamped near what is probably an assembly number applied by the depot. 37 is an unusual coincidence, but I don't think Sauer applied the number.

The FP could be Sauer, though proofing firing spares is not something I have seen on military barrels. They would proof replacement barrels for the commercial market. I think it's more likely an extra proof applied by the depot. Mainz used a small proof like that. But I could be wrong, this is an unusual and very late repair.

 

[heavy_mech]

A lot of coincidence going on here. Early JPS that just happened to get what appears to be a late JPS replacement barrel that just happens to have a '37' applied over/near an additional firing proof. I also agree that 37 has nothing to do with the Sauer inspection team.

My hope was someone might recognize that somewhat odd FP on the barrel. I'll add that '2' digit from the serial number is pretty unique I think too and would be from the same depot.