drummerguy1275
Active member
g33/40
Ive always liked the g33/40 rilfe, very hars to find them here in Australia.
Ive always liked the g33/40 rilfe, very hars to find them here in Australia.
945 1941 G33/40 unserialed
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spentprimer
Senior Member
G33/40 unserialed( photo heavy)
A couple of weeks ago I restarted an old thread on the above mentioned topic and FINALLY got to taking some photos. The weather here had been very overcast and snowing, that delayed the photo session until some morning light was available yesterday.
When I acquired the G33/40 I knew absolutely nothing about them. In fact, I thought someone had cut the barrel back and made a carbine from some sort of Mauser.
It looked a bit odd, there were three countersunk pilot holes drilled for screws near the butt on the left side and another near the toe. These holes had no sign of ever having screws turned into them! The rear sight was missing the spring and plunger that holds the slide in place. It was missing the front barrel band flat spring retainer as well as the bayonet lug pin to hold it to the stock. In fact the stock did not have a hole in it! Also missing was the front sight hood and cleaning rod.
All of these parts have be secured and installed along with a new reproduction sling. These new digital cameras are something, rust shows up on the enlargements that I cannot see with the naked eye. The G33/40 is really nicer than it appears in these photos.
The carbine has all the earmarks of being fired, although I have yet to fire it. I will attempt to post pictures here for all to see. Any questions or comments are welcome. I think I need to find a dot 42 bayonet now to round it out, so, if anyone has one they would like to sell or a lead to find one an e-mail or PM will be greatly appreciated.
A couple of weeks ago I restarted an old thread on the above mentioned topic and FINALLY got to taking some photos. The weather here had been very overcast and snowing, that delayed the photo session until some morning light was available yesterday.
When I acquired the G33/40 I knew absolutely nothing about them. In fact, I thought someone had cut the barrel back and made a carbine from some sort of Mauser.
It looked a bit odd, there were three countersunk pilot holes drilled for screws near the butt on the left side and another near the toe. These holes had no sign of ever having screws turned into them! The rear sight was missing the spring and plunger that holds the slide in place. It was missing the front barrel band flat spring retainer as well as the bayonet lug pin to hold it to the stock. In fact the stock did not have a hole in it! Also missing was the front sight hood and cleaning rod.
All of these parts have be secured and installed along with a new reproduction sling. These new digital cameras are something, rust shows up on the enlargements that I cannot see with the naked eye. The G33/40 is really nicer than it appears in these photos.
The carbine has all the earmarks of being fired, although I have yet to fire it. I will attempt to post pictures here for all to see. Any questions or comments are welcome. I think I need to find a dot 42 bayonet now to round it out, so, if anyone has one they would like to sell or a lead to find one an e-mail or PM will be greatly appreciated.
spentprimer
Senior Member
I showed this rifle to a friend that is very interested in the WWII weaponry and he indicated that when he was much younger he saw advertisements for these rifles as a kit of parts for sale in the gun magazines of the day. I would be curious if anyone else might remember this or perhaps he is mistaken. I do not recall that. If they did offer these as kits, I would wonder if they were barrelled actions that had already been headspace checked?
Also, since there are no serial number on any parts, does this qualify as matching???
Also, since there are no serial number on any parts, does this qualify as matching???
I would wonder if they were barrelled actions that had already been headspace checked?
Also, since there are no serial number on any parts, does this qualify as matching???
Many of these are found with barrels that can be unscrewed by simple hand pressure, so no probably not.
It appears to consist entirely of spare 33/40 parts, so "matching" seems a fitting description IMO.
tsmgguy
Senior Member
This is an old thread I know, but it's of real interest as I just acquired the G33/40 pictured in the first few posts of this thread:
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?8540-G33-40&p=56699&posted=1#post56699
What little online research I've done would seem to indicate that AG Brunn (dot) completely ceased G33/40 production right at the end of 1942, and began production of the 98k shortly thereafter. This can be logically surmised because there have been no 1943 dated G33/40s observed, and no 1942 dated dot 98Ks.
We can also safely assume that the parts used to build up most of these guns were produced in the time frame mentioned above, and not later. We know this because their proofs, markings, and finishes (when finished at all) are generally identical to guns produced in the 1940-42 time frame. Some of the parts observed are in the white, incorrectly installed, or do not conform to those clearly made by dot. My guess is that these guns were assembled as parts stockpiles began to run low.
As far as being safe to shoot, I'd think that these rifles would be perfectly safe to fire as long as the head spacing is correct and the barrels and receivers are in good condition and bear the proper original inspection marks, even if they do not have serial numbers and proof marks. AG Brunn's facilites were never bombed and continued to turn out high quality products up to and after the end of the war.
I hope Jonathan will add his observations about what he's noticed concerning post war production.
As to whether or not these gun qualify as "matching"; At least they are not mismatched.
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?8540-G33-40&p=56699&posted=1#post56699
What little online research I've done would seem to indicate that AG Brunn (dot) completely ceased G33/40 production right at the end of 1942, and began production of the 98k shortly thereafter. This can be logically surmised because there have been no 1943 dated G33/40s observed, and no 1942 dated dot 98Ks.
We can also safely assume that the parts used to build up most of these guns were produced in the time frame mentioned above, and not later. We know this because their proofs, markings, and finishes (when finished at all) are generally identical to guns produced in the 1940-42 time frame. Some of the parts observed are in the white, incorrectly installed, or do not conform to those clearly made by dot. My guess is that these guns were assembled as parts stockpiles began to run low.
As far as being safe to shoot, I'd think that these rifles would be perfectly safe to fire as long as the head spacing is correct and the barrels and receivers are in good condition and bear the proper original inspection marks, even if they do not have serial numbers and proof marks. AG Brunn's facilites were never bombed and continued to turn out high quality products up to and after the end of the war.
I hope Jonathan will add his observations about what he's noticed concerning post war production.
As to whether or not these gun qualify as "matching"; At least they are not mismatched.
Jonathan Severin
Junior Member
Hello,
Not too sure if I should post here or in the machine gun section as it concerns post war production of the Mg34, but it's about Waffenwerke Brunn/Ceska Zbrojovaka Brno production only. Like the G33/40s there Mg34s were coded dot (one exception being 945), waffenamt WaA63 and maunfactured for the Germans from 1941-45, Although there's two cut away models in the Prague Military Historical Institute, one of them being 945 coded 1940 dated.
After the war ended there were parts left from war time manufacture to assemble 7,000 more Mg34s. Some say these were parts that just failed inspection, others that they were components that hadn't been assembled before wars end. Most if not all these Mg34s are marked dot 1945, and all have the Star of David stamped on them as they were for export to Israel in 1948. It's not un-common to find these Israeli exports on the collectors market today.
From 1948 -1953 Brno, Brno being the Czech name, Brunn being the German started new production of the Mg34 and manufactured 7,500. These guns are stamped with a T in a circle where it would have said dot and not dated.
Jonathan.
Not too sure if I should post here or in the machine gun section as it concerns post war production of the Mg34, but it's about Waffenwerke Brunn/Ceska Zbrojovaka Brno production only. Like the G33/40s there Mg34s were coded dot (one exception being 945), waffenamt WaA63 and maunfactured for the Germans from 1941-45, Although there's two cut away models in the Prague Military Historical Institute, one of them being 945 coded 1940 dated.
After the war ended there were parts left from war time manufacture to assemble 7,000 more Mg34s. Some say these were parts that just failed inspection, others that they were components that hadn't been assembled before wars end. Most if not all these Mg34s are marked dot 1945, and all have the Star of David stamped on them as they were for export to Israel in 1948. It's not un-common to find these Israeli exports on the collectors market today.
From 1948 -1953 Brno, Brno being the Czech name, Brunn being the German started new production of the Mg34 and manufactured 7,500. These guns are stamped with a T in a circle where it would have said dot and not dated.
Jonathan.
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tsmgguy
Senior Member
It looks to me as though the proofs (eagles) are missing but each part bears inspection stemples. Can we say that these rifles were not assembled of rejected or out-of-spec parts?
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