BCD G43 a Block W/ Scope Rig

stewartb

stewartb

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I put this on Layaway during the black friday sales. I've always wanted a Gustloff G43 and I remember the days when the excitement was in the air, when one would show up at a show. I'd like to hear opinions on the scope mount as I don't have the eye to spot the good fakes from the originals. I'm waiting on more photo's of just the mount and will post them when I get them. Thank you for your time._JSH5041.jpg_JSH5039.jpg_JSH5044.jpg_JSH5047.jpg_JSH5040.jpg_JSH5043.jpg_JSH5045.jpg
 
I love the rifle.

I was told by Darrin Weaver (author of "Hitlers Garands" and "Rough Forged") a few years ago that no bcd rifles left the factory as snipers. If completed at the field level, that is a possibility.

In regards to the mount/scope on your rifle they both look original.

To be completely honest there are very few G/K43 sniper rifles out there - last I spoke to Darrin Weaver - even he doesn't have one. However lots of collectors including myself like to add a non-matching original mount/scope to their rifle simply because it looks cool.
 
The rifle looks to be in high condition from the basic photos but way more detailed photos are needed. Lets hope some moron didn't notch the rail !
I have seen this done before...

There were whispers in the old sniper books of a friction roller zf4 mount that didn't require the notch. I assume no known originals exist ?? Or could have been old collector hog wash anyways..

Based off the limited photos I'm Leary of the scope mount anyways...
 
Peter S said:
Whoever installed the scope onto the mount didn't have a clue....it's not in the correct location.
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... as well as bands/screws holding the bands are in wrong way.

The rifle is nice though. And the scope mount does look quite well. Closeup pictures are required to tell more.
 
Upon viewing it quickly I didn't notice but the scope position but it is horribly mounted...lol

Screws the wrong way as stated and the inlet in the scope mates with a notch in the mount (which is hidden by the scope and bands) to prevent sliding with recoil.

Should be a simple enough of a fix, but funny to say the least.
 
That's a nice looking bCd (love the upper case C). More pics would be great but as pointed out the scope is incorrectly mounted plus the rings, but that's no worry. The mount itself, well, more pics would help but
it's not a nay at this point. An interesting bit is that my own similar a block Gustoff, although having a rail, will not fit an original mount--after trying all three of my original mounts. They simply will not go
on the rail. Congratulations! Looking forward to more pics.
 
I'm working with the gunshop to get me more photo's of the Mount. This was what I got today,and thank you all for your input already._JSH5231.jpg_JSH5230.jpg_JSH5229.jpg
 
If one looks close you can make out there is an EP serial number on the left of the mount, though not readable with this pic. I vote original for the mount, a rare variant. Claus Espeholt on his website describes them as:
WaA359 mount with square edges
First variant was when Walther stamped the rifle and scope number on the mount - see above. The second and hardest variant to find is when the scope and gun number were hand applied with a electro pencil. Here 34066 on the front part (scope number) and 4577 on the rear part (rifle number). After this variant, the pantograph / jig placement of the rifle number on the front side of the mount was the norm.
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No idea what the asking price is, but I think you will not only get a great and rare coded rifle with that purchase, but also a very rare scope mount atop.
 
First report on this rifle from my G.43 bcd listings. What others have said about the scope being not mounted correctly I agree. None of the rifles reported around this rifle has the scope rail notched. They’re all rails without notches. Would be interesting to see how the scope mount is locking in place.
 
Two more things that you may had noticed anyway. Handguard left side very front is a portion broken off. And I'm not sure why the butt stock at the rear has a darker area whereas it is lighter towards the rifle only to become darker again in the pistol grip area. Yeah, handling the rifle with dirty hands might make it darker in the pistol grip area, but it almost looks as if it once featured a cheek pad or something that covered that area. Speaking of the stock, it is quite unusual figured for a laminate stock with much red part visible on both sides of the action.
 
Take a look at the reference index for the early bcd. It has similar coloring as does my walther. The darkness towards the rear by the buttplate looks like it absorbed moisture maybe from mud if it was sat in the ground. I was looking at the fitting of the of the trigger guard and stock along with the recoil lugs. If it was cleaned i think it was light.

edit: what is the star symbol on the receiver?

Also any other stock wizards pls chime in on my assessment of the wood
 
Finally got the rifle home,No Notch cut on the scope rail. And got some pics of the mount. Unfortunately my photography skills aren't equal to the Gunshops.20220626_200932 RS.jpg20220626_200956 RS.jpg20220626_201021 RS.jpg20220626_201036 RS.jpg20220626_201049 RS.jpg20220626_201058 RS.jpg20220626_201114 RS.jpg20220626_202143 RS.jpg20220626_202157 RS.jpg
 
That's one of the nicest Gustloff examples I've seen. Very clean. Receiver looks great (I loved the look of the cosmetically machined receivers). I think the stock looks great too. A little soiling or moisture wicking at the butt (assumed) just adds to its charm. Original mount looks terrific. I've seen worse ZF4 mounting jobs over the years, but it's the occasionally seen eye cup on the wrong end that always gets my giggle going.
The rail hasn't been notched it appears so all looks good based on these pics. FWIW, I was unable to get any one of my original mounts (all 4 are Walther marked) to even go on the rail of my own bcd. The rail on the rifle simply isn't machined close enough for any of the Walther mounts I had to fit. Was kinda like trying to mount an unfitted/unfiled repro mount on a G43 rail--it just was not machined well enough to fit.
Note that those original mounts will fit the rail of every railed G/K43 I own EXCEPT my bcd rifle (7854a).
I guess that somewhat supports the thinking that the bcd rifles were never intended to be used as designated marksman/sniper rifles.
Great acquisition in my opinion.
 
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