BNZ 44 Value

SonOfaGunn

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I'm new to your forum, and need some help. I've just started purchasing guns, and a co-worker of mine has come to own a K98 BNZ 44. He doesn't care for firearms and wants to get rid of it, but I don't know how much I should offer to buy it for, or what it's worth. Neither does he.

Here are some pics, I hope this helps.



I have a few more pictures. Thank you for any information you can provide me!
 

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well consider yourself lucky, that is a really nice large font bnz44. It is what is referred to as a bolt mismatch. Assuming that all parts on the rifle match except for the bolt, that is an $8-900+ bolt mismatch all day long in my book. Plus the cost of the bayo.....if it has matching scabbard, figure another $125 for buddy price, on ebay that would go $150+
 
Looks like an SS contract rifle as well. Offer him 700 for the gun and 125 for the bayo (if the scabbard matches). Very fair offer IMO.
 
well consider yourself lucky, that is a really nice large font bnz44. It is what is referred to as a bolt mismatch. Assuming that all parts on the rifle match except for the bolt, that is an $8-900+ bolt mismatch all day long in my book. Plus the cost of the bayo.....if it has matching scabbard, figure another $125 for buddy price, on ebay that would go $150+



Thanks for the info. It is a nice gun, hopefully I can get if for a little less. I just bought a gun (Daniel Defense AR) and my firearms funds are running a little low. We'll see!!
 
Looks like an SS contract rifle as well. Offer him 700 for the gun and 125 for the bayo (if the scabbard matches). Very fair offer IMO.

Thanks for the reply!! What did you see that makes it an SS contract rifle?

5-700 was what I was initially thinking I could do, to be honest, $500 was what I was allowed to do. Hopefully he lets it go, he really has no desire to own any guns. Weird.
 
While I agree with the others, $700 is probably fair, there are variables working here and I think your $500 is more reasonable and safe unless you do more pictures. The bayonet potentially is a good deal at $125 too, but even if it matches there are variables, - I would suggest less unless you see the grips, scabbard and blade better. It looks nice and unsharpened, but the grip has a chip out of it and it makes me wonder how the grips and flashguard are and how the full length of the blade looks (which is critical to value)

I would say it (the rifle) is almost for sure worth more than $500, there is no downside at that price, the grease, the look of the stock, the metal, all looks original and right for this type rifle, but if you pay $700 or more, and things are wrong after you buy it, it will be a bad time to find out, especially if you are friends or work together. You can always give him more, but getting a refund is probably going to be a problem or cause resentment.

I would offer him $600 for the set, - if the bayonets full blade looks as good as the one picture you show (good blue and not banged up or sharpened, it can have wear but not abuse, look at the flash guard too..), and the scabbard matches (it should be marked the same) and isn't dented or has some other obvious problem. Later if you feel you must, you can give him more, I probably wouldn't unless we were good friends, but either way it will be an option for you to decide, - not a position of trying to get money back.

Best to at least start from a strong position, you can always offer more, but short of an vulnerable old lady or vet, I would be more concerned about my end rather that theirs...
 
Thanks for the reply!! What did you see that makes it an SS contract rifle?

The bnz44 receiver coupled with the lack of a letter suffix on the serial number. If you get it, post some more detailed pictures especially the markings on the barrel.
 
... and the right side of the receiver, and anywhere on the receiver, the bridge, under the wood etc.. they sometimes have important markings that while not necessarily increasing value, they are important. I track these tedious details, too few sellers or even collectors include these areas when photographing their rifles. Without more examples recorded it makes determining how common or a purpose for these markings difficult.

The bnz44 receiver coupled with the lack of a letter suffix on the serial number. If you get it, post some more detailed pictures especially the markings on the barrel.
 
While I agree with the others, $700 is probably fair, there are variables working here and I think your $500 is more reasonable and safe unless you do more pictures. The bayonet potentially is a good deal at $125 too, but even if it matches there are variables, - I would suggest less unless you see the grips, scabbard and blade better. It looks nice and unsharpened, but the grip has a chip out of it and it makes me wonder how the grips and flashguard are and how the full length of the blade looks (which is critical to value)

I would say it (the rifle) is almost for sure worth more than $500, there is no downside at that price, the grease, the look of the stock, the metal, all looks original and right for this type rifle, but if you pay $700 or more, and things are wrong after you buy it, it will be a bad time to find out, especially if you are friends or work together. You can always give him more, but getting a refund is probably going to be a problem or cause resentment.

I would offer him $600 for the set, - if the bayonets full blade looks as good as the one picture you show (good blue and not banged up or sharpened, it can have wear but not abuse, look at the flash guard too..), and the scabbard matches (it should be marked the same) and isn't dented or has some other obvious problem. Later if you feel you must, you can give him more, I probably wouldn't unless we were good friends, but either way it will be an option for you to decide, - not a position of trying to get money back.

Best to at least start from a strong position, you can always offer more, but short of an vulnerable old lady or vet, I would be more concerned about my end rather that theirs...



Very informative. I'm happy I've found this site, and I'm even more excited about the gun. I'll post more pictures of the rifle whether I purchase or not. I'm getting my hands on the gun on the tenth, maybe sooner and will post them then.

I must say, it's pretty interesting, all the details of these rifles.
 
... and the right side of the receiver, and anywhere on the receiver, the bridge, under the wood etc.. they sometimes have important markings that while not necessarily increasing value, they are important. I track these tedious details, too few sellers or even collectors include these areas when photographing their rifles. Without more examples recorded it makes determining how common or a purpose for these markings difficult.

Will I need to disassemble the rifle to get to these parts?
 
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To get under the handguard and see the inside of the stock channel you will need to disassemble the gun. Make sure you ONLY use gunsmith screwdrivers or you will mess up the screws. You will then get to a lot of the things Loewe and others want to see.
 
be careful not to disturb the dried up grease along the wood line. Could be original german applied. Bigdibbs is drooling right now.
 
Most of the markings can be seen easily, usually it is a partially struck "circle V/7" marking and the acceptance on the right receiver I am interested in. The barrel code is important too but would be under the stock in this rifles case. You can date the barrel roughly, tell who made it but it is not so important to disturb the rifles condition.
 
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I appreciate that Matt, and thanks for the heads-up on what type drivers to use. I do live close to Atlanta, so if I get a chance to cross that bridge I'll be contacting you.

Loewe, I don't think I'd unscrew anything myself until I saw how it should be done properly. I'd be tempted though!
 
FINALLY!!

It's mine, it's official, I bought it. :happy0180:

Here are a few pictures of the rifle and the bayonet that I took after going to the range today. I couldn't find any markings other than the eagle pictured, and the eagle on the bolt handle (not pictured). I haven't had the rifle taken apart yet so that I can check the bottom of the barrel, but when I do I'll post some pics, and most likely have questions.

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Here's a few more pics.

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I found other markings on the rifle, but I don't know if they're significant. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
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