Danzig 1902, h block

[Guillaume d'Orange]

Hi everyone,
This rifle is for sale in France. I just some pics here for research. S/n : 4163 h.
Regimental stamp: 69.R.5.52
There's a k registered, so at least 20k rifles produced that year

 

[Loewe]

Thanks for getting this to us English impaired collectors! I will add it to trends but this unit identification is unique so far. the 37 IR is in the range, but I will have to see if these were in the same unit disposition (same Korp sp?) Carter is fastest reference which in not handy at the moment, Jeff Noll the same...

French sources are a neglected resource - the French naturally have a great deal to add to research, but the Latin languages are challenging to English speakers. While French and Italian speech is often intoxicatingly appealing, especially Italian, it befuddles me! At least German is familiar in most ways to English, naturally, but still quite foreign overall...

 

[chrisftk]

I can't quite tell, as the pics are blurry but it looks like it might have been re-proofed in modern times?

My first instinct was that it was Danzig rebarreled, but then I noticed the added proofs on the barrel.

Still looks like a nice example--thanks for sharing the pics

 

[Guillaume d'Orange]

Thanks for getting this to us English impaired collectors! I will add it to trends but this unit identification is unique so far. the 37 IR is in the range, but I will have to see if these were in the same unit disposition (same Korp sp?) Carter is fastest reference which in not handy at the moment, Jeff Noll the same...

French sources are a neglected resource - the French naturally have a great deal to add to research, but the Latin languages are challenging to English speakers. While French and Italian speech is often intoxicatingly appealing, especially Italian, it befuddles me! At least German is familiar in most ways to English, naturally, but still quite foreign overall...

You're welcome

About the unit, here is the disk:


France shall be gifted with many Gew98/Kar98 (captured/bringbacks/left behind), but the few collectors don't share info on forum to advance the knowledge.

English and French are closer than you think : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_of_French_on_English
English would allow you to speak or understand Old French

 

[Guillaume d'Orange]

I can't quite tell, as the pics are blurry but it looks like it might have been re-proofed in modern times?

My first instinct was that it was Danzig rebarreled, but then I noticed the added proofs on the barrel.

Still looks like a nice example--thanks for sharing the pics

Yes, it is mandatory to fireproof old rifles like Gew98 or even 98k in France (but, as with many things in France, enforcement is loose and the purpose of the measure is to avoid that the owners get hurt).
I assume the owner did his duty, so that the rifle was completely legal and could be kept (and protected) in a house (not exposed to humidity in a barn or an attic).
Have you noticed the "S" stamp below the rear sight ? I would say the barrel is original (in spite of the added proof marks).

 

[chrisftk]

Yes, it is mandatory to fireproof old rifles like Gew98 or even 98k in France (but, as with many things in France, enforcement is loose and the purpose of the measure is to avoid that the owners get hurt).
I assume the owner did his duty, so that the rifle was completely legal and could be kept (and protected) in a house (not exposed to humidity in a barn or an attic).
Have you noticed the "S" stamp below the rear sight ? I would say the barrel is original (in spite of the added proof marks).

I'd agree on the barrel being original to the rifle.

 

[Loewe]

You're welcome

About the unit, here is the disk:
View attachment 315786

France shall be gifted with many Gew98/Kar98 (captured/bringbacks/left behind), but the few collectors don't share info on forum to advance the knowledge.

English and French are closer than you think : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_of_French_on_English
English would allow you to speak or understand Old French

Thanks! I checked Carter (and trends so far collected by me) and as far as bayonets (Sg98) there was little coordination between the 37th & 69th , different AK so far as such superficial observations provide. However, most of the "grouping" or trends, where patterns seem to exist, relate to 98a issuance, which probably doesn't reflect upon G98 issuance to any degree (G98 production in this period was more diverse and issuance probably offered more diversity - and we are talking two rifles and bayonets probably offer limited support for a pattern)

As for French language is concerned, - I can't make heads or tails with most of it - little to no similarities in my experience (limited experience); perhaps there is some relationship, the Franks, Charlemagne (German occupations or reigns- as the French Revolutions "sansculotte" claimed the French aristocracy were ancestrally German in character - which probably was exaggerated, typical of proletariat and agitators claims) - as has been said before Charlemagne, Napoleon and Hitler have the dubious "honor" of controlling-dominating all of Western and Southern Europe... but that trivia aside I think the French are a great culture, or were at least. I would have to say that what France once was, it is no longer, and this is not meant as a slight as the US is well along the same path and it is irreversible at this point. In a thousand years, if the human race survives this next evolution, the US, France, England and the Occidental World in general will be a mere footnote alongside the Medes, the Persians, Greeks, the Romans, Franks and Charlemagne... (not to mention the Egyptians (who the world knew nothing of before Napoleon and the French "discovered" it's history).

Anyway, the only course i ever failed (BIG "F") was a French language course! To this day I retain only the most simplistic understanding...