G24(t) Slovak?

trinxet

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No its not a slovakian contract, only made in Slovakia Povazska Bystrica, there are not real slovakian contracts Vz24 as the slovak army had enough old rifles Vz.24 from CS period, this is a left over parts configuration when ended the production for Wehrmacht, there was more possibilities but this mostly ended in west as it was too Wurttemberg reproofed in 1969. There was a rejected Bulgarian contract, but we dont known about any confirmation. Its nice piece as in origin Vz24 configuration. And well stored and good piece to any collection of Vz24 rifles. From my dbase is this the highest reported number.
 
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No its not a slovakian contract, only made in Slovakia Povazska Bystrica, there are not real slovakian contracts Vz24 as the slovak army had enough old rifles Vz.24 from CS period, this is a left over parts configuration when ended the production for Wehrmacht, there was more possibilities but this mostly ended in west as it was too Wurttemberg reproofed in 1969. There was a rejected Bulgarian contract, but we dont known about any confirmation. Its nice piece as in origin Vz24 configuration. And well stored and good piece to any collection of Vz24 rifles. From my dbase is this the highest reported number.
Ok thank for the explanation, so in the end is more related to the germans use than the slovaks, I'm right?
 
It is made from a combination of Czechoslovakian and German parts but was assembled into a rifle by the Slovakians and used by them. Note that it does not have Nazi firing proofs. I would guess it was assembled using leftover parts. I cannot tell you when that happened.
 
It would be very strange for rifles marked with the Slovakian coat of arms to not be used by Slovakia, IMO.

Maybe these blank ones were not Slovak, but I'm not sure how you explain away the others.
 
Trinxet's rifle is "T" marked on the right of the receiver ring next to the back edge of the handguard.




 
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Easy way the slovak crest was used even on romanian rifles and bayonets as fireproof/quality proof instead of a property marking, even on many romanian rifles are CS lion and it doesnt mean its czechoslovak items.
This stamp is a fireproof of slovak army proof facility located in plant of ZB in Povazska Bystrica. By export contracts it was normally asked for proof and payed for this, similar to Portugal Mo937 which was WaA253/63 proofed even not a german delivery at all!
Slovak crest fireproof was later replaced with T stamp which means a Tormentation also Fireproof. So in reality this rifle presented here was builded on non delivered left over G24(t) dou42 receiver from left over german contract and fireproofed with T stamp, on this rifle is not any slovakian property stamp even not fireproof of slovak army.

"It would be very strange for rifles marked with the Slovakian coat of arms to not be used by" Slovakia, IMO."
Maybe these blank ones were not Slovak, but I'm not sure how you explain away the others.

"Andy doesn’t like the mention of Slovak contract, but it’s what we call them in the US collecting. Some actually have Slovak markings. But it’s not known what they are for sure."


"It is made from a combination of Czechoslovakian and German parts but was assembled into a rifle by the Slovakians and used by them. Note that it does not have Nazi firing proofs. I would guess it was assembled using leftover parts. I cannot tell you when that happened."
Use by slovak is not real or confirmed. No any german parts should be there as german already asked upgraded G24(t) rifles and all this are in old CS Vz24 configuration.

I was 3 years searching in archives of Slovakian Army Institute, there is no order of slovakian complet rifles Vz.24, only replacement parts sets and ammunition. So similar rifles are not slovakian army contract but are in reality realised from left over part for german Wehrmacht G24(t) and romanian Vz.24 rifles of 1941/2.
The majority of these rifles were observed in USA, there is no one samples avialable in slovakian area reported in last 40 years and prior this period too nothing, all rifles avialable in 1945 were captured in plant by Sovjets, so when there would be any rifle in Slovakia, Czechia or USSR there would be anywhere outside of the west. But to this time all rifles were observed only in US or in west Europe, which means all rifles were exported to Germany prior 1943 and most real for Werkschutz or other organisation. And were found in US zone or other west countries area, majority of the rifles are depot condition and unused.
Smid in his new book wrote there was a bulgarian contract which was rejected and offcoarse a asking for price order for slovak army, but for this doesnt exist any other documents, only question for price list, nothing more, no real order, no real confirmation, no payments no acceptance.
 
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personally i dont known the buttstock number in channel pencil written is there period? as other number was stamped there.? maybe it was diverted from romanian contract the buttstock? but the 5670 is Czechoslovak manner stamped on left buttstock near buttplate. Question to owner is: what for letter or digit is in front of 5670 made by pencil in chanell or is anything in front of 5670 on buttstock?
 
Easy to explain on Romanian second contract as already all rifles were made for Romania, here in AR range with E4 lion 39 proof, even already Czechoslovakia didnt existed since 15.3.1939 as slovak proof facility to end of 1939 used the older CS marking and E4 proof stamp, which was fluently changed to E1 slovak crest 40, on rifles mainly used for the fireproof later the romanian acceptance stamp but on bayonets are this to observe to very high number of second romanian contract, the rifles and bayonets so marked were never destined for Slovakia but Romanian inspectors used the slovak army control facility forwarded.
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FR marked slovak production for romanian contract.
 
personally i dont known the buttstock number in channel pencil written is there period? as other number was stamped there.? maybe it was diverted from romanian contract the buttstock? but the 5670 is Czechoslovak manner stamped on left buttstock near buttplate. Question to owner is: what for letter or digit is in front of 5670 made by pencil in chanell or is anything in front of 5670 on buttstock?
Hi Andy !
Thanks for your great explanation, if my rifle is the hightets serial number recorded that means a short production of about 5.000 rifles, seems to be something very specific.....
In front of the 5670 in the chanel seems to be the Y, but in the buttstock seems to be a marking but not legible sadly....
Thanks to everybody for your comments
 

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Thanks for additional photos, Y teoretically could be from last romanian contract in series XR and YR, or its only coincidence and mistake stamp, outside of buttstock it does not looks like letter in front of 5670. Is anything marked on upper handguard?
By the series are problems Smid mentioned 3x 5000 series but it looks like his notes about slovak proofed rifles are not complete. There were certainly prepared 10000 rifles for Bulgaria but was rejected. Other 5000 rifles were made from left over parts.Thats the information avialable.
Did You found the rifle in USA or west Europe?
my research speaks for probably partly independent series differenced by various proofs, - 1.serie with slovak proof crest, 2.serie with T proof letter on dou42 receiver
 
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