Germanic Script S Stamp. Early SS mark?

[Funkel]

A fair amount is known about barrels. They were either 100% made 'in house', supplied as blanks and finished in house (the most common scenario) or supplied as finished barrels. The entire barrel code is stamped radially around the base. You show dsh and e/623 x2. There is more in between. The e/623 is probably 3 and it was finished by Steyr.

It only has a serial under there...?

 

[Funkel]

A fair amount is known about barrels. They were either 100% made 'in house', supplied as blanks and finished in house (the most common scenario) or supplied as finished barrels. The entire barrel code is stamped radially around the base. You show dsh and e/623 x2. There is more in between. The e/623 is probably 3 and it was finished by Steyr.

Hey mate, the 623 stamped ss barrel was just for an example of the same star. So has mine been re-barreled? Coz The serial underneath doesn't match? Or was the barrel just supplied from elsewhere? It's an S/42 Obendorf marked receiver and the receiver and barrel are both marked with the same E/962 serial so i'm confused. :/ The stick Eagles are below the rear sight R side Whilst the Weimar style 4x are underneath the rear left side of the barrel. I can't find in the books or online what the hell my barrel code actually is. Other than the barrel serial it has, the 'Contract rifle' star and a bunch of other random stamps that just happen to match ss Armourer marks but without the skull n bones. The star, the 1 the c// and it has a lightly stamped ~ , also a H under the receiver with the double Fraktur $ + all the other weird stamps. the 1 and overstamped 44 makes me think it had some repair/parts replacement in Jan44' possibly at Sauer n Sohn. There is a 12 and an f that what appear to be scribed onto the barrel with some kind of marker. The stock also has a 12 in front of the floorplate.

 

[heavy_mech]

Hey mate, the 623 stamped ss barrel was just for an example of the same star. So has mine been re-barreled? Coz The serial underneath doesn't match? Or was the barrel just supplied from elsewhere? It's an S/42 Obendorf marked receiver and the receiver and barrel are both marked with the same E/962 serial so i'm confused. :/ The stick Eagles are below the rear sight R side Whilst the Weimar style 4x are underneath the rear left side of the barrel..

So many different pictures and rifles got me confused....

Your rifle has not been re-barreled. 962y and Nazi Eagle firing proof on both. Barrel was probably made just slightly earlier at MO. Transitional year for marking.

I found you posted this in 2012 in Bruce's w block in the pic stickies. Mike's rifle in post #17 has had the barrel replaced. 0,2 on the shoulder, 2nd firing proof.

 

[Funkel]

So many different pictures and rifles got me confused....

Your rifle has not been re-barreled. 962y and Nazi Eagle firing proof on both. Barrel was probably made just slightly earlier at MO. Transitional year for marking.

I found you posted this in 2012 in Bruce's w block in the pic stickies. Mike's rifle in post #17 has had the barrel replaced. 0,2 on the shoulder, 2nd firing proof.

K, cheers mate yeah was a while back I had no idea how or where to find where I posted it. Not in any of my folders it's been so long. So it's most likely an in house MO barrel..? But with weird stamps for the lam prototype? Also it's y series if that matters.

 

[Funkel]

So, what's the consensus on the Soviet Style Star on these barrels? :/ Have they all been captured By Russia during the war and Stamped? Was Russia secretly Supplying barrels or Parts to Germany during it's re armament? Isn't it weird the German's would use a Soviet Star stamp on their barrels if its the case Germany were doing it themselves? The Star and The 'P' stamps on the Early lam stocks and Stars and Skulls on SS Rifles are some things I find really odd. Are we finding Rifles that were part of Stalin's Torch men? A Relic battlefield scavenger guy In Latvia suggested my rifles Skull and SS stamp is ''Soldier Fantasy'' Not fake but done by soldiers during the war. He has seen and found many things Including SS Belt Buckles with ''FK Hitler'' in Russian Underneath, a Scottish engraved k98 Mauser Bayonet (I offered to buy it he refused of course). I think there's much we're missing about the Early re armament program and the Fact That during the war Russians were Dressing as Germans, Germans as Russians Americans as German's, Germans as Americans, Germans as Brits Brits as Germans'. :/ It's a complex set of scenarios that I don't think Every rifle is going to fit into a particular group. Appreciate all the work that's gone into Looking into all the Manufacturing codes etc. But I guess since much of the Rearming was done in secret perhaps, we will never know What many of these stamps mean. Someone suggested the Early K98's have the P for a particular type of ammo designation, but It's the same ammo as ww1 Gewehrs.. N why are they only found on the early Lam stock rifles? How many Early 1937/38 lam stocks are we up to now? Cheers.

 

[Cyrano4747]

I don't know about all of that, but I wouldn't call that star on the barrel "soviet-style." It's just a star. Probably a process mark from production. You see a similar mark as a firing proof on MO rifles when they were produced under French occupation after WW2, for example. Also various late 19th century rifle contracts. I'd have to hit my notes or go rummage in my safe to remember which ones, exactly, but the point being that it's just a common symbol used for all kinds of stuff. (edit: just double checked some old pictures and I can spot it on my MWO Spanish m93 at the very least) Is my Christmas tree Stalinist because I have a five pointed star on top of it?

Frankly I think you're seeing a lot of things that you want to be there and are grasping at straws.

Edit: here reading back through this thread here is a response from someone who knows way better than me two years ago. This pretty much tracks with my thinking, although you should weigh Farb's opinion on this stuff way more than mine:

I'm going to lay this out for you - your rifle is NOT an SS rifle. The fact that a single stamp resembles something on an SS rifle is not an indicator that your rifle is SS. Many specialized manufacturers used dies and stamps supplied by single sources, mostly larger depots, which supplied many different industry and organizations. Back then numbering dies were hand made so it wasn't like today where a small shop can turn out dies with a CNC. So all of the odd stars, cursive Sauer S stamps, other odd *&%$ looking markings are simply process stamps used by manufacturers to approve operations to the blanks, and receiver bottoms were the easiest place to stamp inspection markings. One of the Steyr process stamps look like a dude with his dick hanging down, but it isn't indicative of a thriving porn industry at Steyr.

I appreciate your thoroughness, but you are seeing things that aren't there. Yes, there are stamps, and you see a skull and some runes, but those things you see are NOT what you think they are, unless in the 70's somebody put them there for novelty purposes.

The SS did not reinvent the wheel on every rifle, the markings used are pretty easily tracked by variant. Your rifles bolt is not mismatched due to field armorers, it's mismatched because someone put it together from parts. Done during the war or after is irrelevant as official depots did not do it this way, we know this from years of research and study, just like you are doing, but on a larger scale and across the world.

My suggestion, go out and find another rifle and study that one. When you get another and compare, you start to get a clearer picture. The more you get, the more you see. But trust me, the "This is an SS rifle because.." rabbit hole is just going to irritate you and others, it isn't an SS rifle.

 

[Dankrez28]

Its quite the stretch to be an SS rifle, plus majority of ss marked weapons are faked or screwed with. I think you’re overthinking this one, best of luck.

 

[heavy_mech]

13 years now and this is still going on? Damn, dude is persistent AF if nothing else.

 

[moconfed]

So, what's the consensus on the Soviet Style Star on these barrels? :/ Have they all been captured By Russia during the war and Stamped? Was Russia secretly Supplying barrels or Parts to Germany during it's re armament? Isn't it weird the German's would use a Soviet Star stamp on their barrels if its the case Germany were doing it themselves? The Star and The 'P' stamps on the Early lam stocks and Stars and Skulls on SS Rifles are some things I find really odd. Are we finding Rifles that were part of Stalin's Torch men? A Relic battlefield scavenger guy In Latvia suggested my rifles Skull and SS stamp is ''Soldier Fantasy'' Not fake but done by soldiers during the war. He has seen and found many things Including SS Belt Buckles with ''FK Hitler'' in Russian Underneath, a Scottish engraved k98 Mauser Bayonet (I offered to buy it he refused of course). I think there's much we're missing about the Early re armament program and the Fact That during the war Russians were Dressing as Germans, Germans as Russians Americans as German's, Germans as Americans, Germans as Brits Brits as Germans'. :/ It's a complex set of scenarios that I don't think Every rifle is going to fit into a particular group. Appreciate all the work that's gone into Looking into all the Manufacturing codes etc. But I guess since much of the Rearming was done in secret perhaps, we will never know What many of these stamps mean. Someone suggested the Early K98's have the P for a particular type of ammo designation, but It's the same ammo as ww1 Gewehrs.. N why are they only found on the early Lam stock rifles? How many Early 1937/38 lam stocks are we up to now? Cheers.

Looks soviet. Probably the Russian SS. How many stars are on it?

 

[Muncher 1953]

13 years now and this is still going on? Damn, dude is persistent AF if nothing else.

I think it’s just him showing Aussie humor. probably stuck out in the puckerbrush on a sheep ranch, nothing better to do than bait a bunch of guys & see if he can get a rise by posting crazy things.

 

[moconfed]

I think it’s just him showing Aussie humor. probably stuck out in the puckerbrush on a sheep ranch, nothing better to do than bait a bunch of guys & see if he can get a rise by posting crazy things.

Yep. He's no Ike, but still wacky