Gewehr 98 Spandau 1917 6088b

PrayingMantis

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Found this on Gun Auction and made an offer. Hadn't picked up a Gew in quite a while so I was happy to get it, despite the condition. This one is pretty rough, but its all matching except for the hand guard and cleaning rod, which are temporary stand ins. It took a lot of oiling to make it look even this good. The stock turned out very nice, it was black with something like smoke residue when I got it.

Nice to have a '17 Spandau, actually made in Spandau it appears. Receiver isn't a subcontract. Parts appear to have quite a mix of inspector acceptance stamps. Barrel code appears to be BO 93.
 

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Very nice rifle! Very hard to find this year, - as I have stated before Spandau stopped making G98's in 1917, very early in fact, I am pretty sure the k-block was their last. Which makes them the lowest 1917 maker except for Simson in 1917. Most 1917 makers are the most common, especially in upper grades, but not so for Spandau, damn hard to find, especially matching..

This is all deceptive though because a lot of Spandau/17 & 18's are out there, but very few were made or assembled by Spandau itself. This is a very hard to get rifle, that it isn't sub-contractor is all the better. After some research I have established the RR patterns to identify sub-contractor receivers from Spandau made, so I agree it is not Pieper or S&H. (Pieper is rare wartime anyway, for whatever reason not many were used during the war..)

Hate the Berlin makers with their idiotic BC in front of the RS, only DWM and Spandau did this and there must be half a dozen that are either partially covered by the RS or hard to read being so close.

You did a damn fine picture of the bolt bottom flat, but still can't make out the acceptance? I will check others to get a better feel, but can you make it out under magnification? I might not have another to compare it to... not alot are recorded, add the odds of a matching bolt in that group and worse the likelihood of someone taking the angle good enough, it isn't good many examples will be available for comparison.
 
Thanks for the information, Paul. Knew they were rare but didn't know how rare. I've only seen two others for sale, and one horribly cleaned, so I was very glad to get this one. That's interesting about the receivers. Did many Pieper or S&H receivers end up in Spandau production? Or did they mostly end up at Hannover or elsewhere? The only Pieper receiver I know of is in a WMO assembled 1917.

Here is a shot of the bolt flat after some oil and a little steel wool. It looks like a c/B perhaps? The mix of acceptance is cool on this one, just wish that some of the stamps were stronger.
 

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Another nice Gewehr Mantis glad too see you found another one too add too your growing Gewehr98 collection. Thanks for sharing.
 
Thanks Warrior. Gewehr 98s will always be my collecting focus, there's just so much to learn about them. The research aspect holds my interest more than anything else.

Another nice Gewehr Mantis glad too see you found another one too add too your growing Gewehr98 collection. Thanks for sharing.
 
Very nice. Congratulations. I have only ever seen 2 gewehr 98s in the flesh and those are the 2 I own. Very cool rifle with lots of history so I can see why you focus on them. Enjoy.
 
Very nice, I really like how clear the acceptance is on the stock; nice piece of walnut on that one. Pretty neat that it's a straight Spandau 1917! My Danzig 1916 had the same look, what did you do to take the soot off?
 
Thanks! You should post pictures of yours if you get a chance to take some pictures.

Very nice. Congratulations. I have only ever seen 2 gewehr 98s in the flesh and those are the 2 I own. Very cool rifle with lots of history so I can see why you focus on them. Enjoy.

Thought it was neat too, unusual that the straight Spandau is rare for the year. Any other time it would be the receivers assembled elsewhere. To clean the stock I used Formby's grime cleaner a blue scratch free scotch brite pad. It took a long time but it was sure worth it for the result.

Very nice, I really like how clear the acceptance is on the stock; nice piece of walnut on that one. Pretty neat that it's a straight Spandau 1917! My Danzig 1916 had the same look, what did you do to take the soot off?

Here are some auction pictures of the stock.
 

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They are difficult to find in nice condition, probably harder than Simson/17, though both are the toughest of 1917 to find.

Pieper doesn't show up in actual Spandau production at all. At least I have never encountered one... S&H only show up in the later stages of production, actually the last two blocks known. Which reminds me, when i said k-block last known, that is confirmed, there are others reported, but as Danzig probably assembled (survive) in just as large numbers and are thoroughly scattered, they are probably Danzig's, though impossible to say from just reports.)

Most S&H and Pieper's known are sterngewehrs, S&H make up almost all the Hannover jobs, I think I have discovered a couple exceptions, but almost all are S&H.

I agree the bolt is C/B, after checking my trends sheet this morning, the few known (shown) are C/B in 1917 and most of 1916. I would have to check Mauser trends on the Pieper, but I am sure you are right. It is clear Pieper and S&H were late to get into production and didn't make the cut for actual Spandau assembly. Of course Pieper and especially S&H were heavily involved in arms production, so they probably encounter some difficulties getting up and running with receivers.

A very nice and elusive rifle, thanks for the extra data!

Thanks for the information, Paul. Knew they were rare but didn't know how rare. I've only seen two others for sale, and one horribly cleaned, so I was very glad to get this one. That's interesting about the receivers. Did many Pieper or S&H receivers end up in Spandau production? Or did they mostly end up at Hannover or elsewhere? The only Pieper recorder I know of is in a WMO assembled 1917.

Here is a shot of the bolt flat after some oil and a little steel wool. It looks like a c/B perhaps? The mix of acceptance is cool on this one, just wish that some of the stamps were stronger.
 
I have an all matching 1915 erfurt carbine that I posted here last fall if that counts! But I still think gewehrs are cooler though.
 
Well that's good to hear I did not know there was not a 1915 kar98 carbine in the picture section. I guess there is now haha.
 
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