help ID?

[daleyj45]

hey guys, i have the option to buy a k98 from a guy down the street and since there are so many different variants i figured id come to the experts for help, here are a few pics i took of serials and insignia that i could see, wish i did a better job but i think all the serials matched and it doesnt appear to have a X on it (meaning its a bringback?), sorry if this isnt allowed but what could someone expect to get for this specific rifle on gunbroker or tacswap etc

thanks

 

[waw44]

A 1940 Sauer receiver , code 147. Why don’t you look up the picture reference thread on this forum to see what fully matching rifles look like and what pictures members post to show the relevant parts and marking.

Gunbroker or the like value , who knows . There are many idiots willing to part with their money there.

 

[daleyj45]

A 1940 Sauer receiver , code 147. Why don’t you look up the picture reference thread on this forum to see what fully matching rifles look like and what pictures members post to show the relevant parts and marking.

Gunbroker or the like value , who knows . There are many idiots willing to part with their money there.

tbh i did try looking at that thing but i couldnt really find anything with waa214 stamp that was also not captured

 

[Cyrano4747]

What is going on with that serial? That's just wrong for an early war Sauer, everything from the size to the location to not being in a straight line to the uneven punch. I'm pretty sure you can see the ghost of the original SN just above it. It's easier to see with the pic rotated right side up.



Salvage receiver renumbered in a depot or something? I also don't see the serial on the barrel that you would expect. It looks too sloppy for even a lazy hump job, they usually try harder, which is why I'm wondering if anyone's seen anything like this on late war depot work etc.

edit: firing proof also looks wrong both in placement and in size. But not so badly wrong I immediately jump to a fake. Mostly I'm hedging because I don't know the depot stuff for crap.

 

[Cyrano4747]

Anyways, OP, to answer your original question, you didn't give us good enough pics to tell you what it's worth. All things being equal (which is a huge caveat with 98k's) the #1 thing that determines value is if the rifle is matching, and if it isn't matching how un-matched it is. That said the gulf between a matching gun and a single piece mismatch is bigger than the distance between a single piece mismatch and a multi-piece mismatch. Think something like

Matching >>>>>>>>>>>>>bolt m/m >>>> stock/bands m/m (sporter rescue) >> mixmaster

 

[daleyj45]

Anyways, OP, to answer your original question, you didn't give us good enough pics to tell you what it's worth. All things being equal (which is a huge caveat with 98k's) the #1 thing that determines value is if the rifle is matching, and if it isn't matching how un-matched it is. That said the gulf between a matching gun and a single piece mismatch is bigger than the distance between a single piece mismatch and a multi-piece mismatch. Think something like

Matching >>>>>>>>>>>>>bolt m/m >>>> stock/bands m/m (sporter rescue) >> mixmaster

the only pic i have of the bolt is from far away but i do remember the guy saying it was matching #'s, and original leather sling, and some sort of weird muzzle cap protector thing.

so assuming that #s are matching, what would you think an all matching #s and non captured (i think?) because of the lack of X and other countries insignia rifle in this condition would go for? i coudnt find anything with "waa214" in any descriptions online so im trying to determine if its anything special, the eagles also dont seem to have swastikas under them which seemed uncommon. as far as the receiver and stamp goes i have no idea, first k98 ive had in my hands in like a decade so i wouldnt have thought twice about it if you didnt mention it. im all ears

 

[daleyj45]

 

[Jdt]

Imma go out on a limb here and say one, the barrel is a depot replacement because of the e/13 stamps and the stock could be some kind of replacement if it's waA214 marked unless it's mismatched. The messed up eagle on the receiver and sloppy numbers says to me it's a depot salvaged rifle.

 

[Jdt]

147 1940 #8823 v block

Initial pics of this rifle. It's already put back together and sitting the safe at the moment till I get it outside for more pics, the sling was really tough to move so I didn't bother taking it off. Rifle is matching down to the rod. Got this rifle at the April Wanenmacher show this year after...

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Here's my V block 147 1940.

 

[Jdt]

243 1939 #8087 LK5 marked.

https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/1078658004 The auction is concluded but was wanting everyone thoughts on this rifle, I noticed/had brought up to me several notes of interest. 1. The receiver serial number appears to have been scrubbed and renumbered, was this a thing from the depot system during...

www.k98kforum.com

Here's and example of a depot rework with a scrubbed receiver that had its receiver serial restamped.

 

[Jdt]

Btw I searched our reference section and WaA214 acceptance stamps were used from 1935-1938 at JP sauer, in 1939 waffenampt inspection team 37 (WaA37,e/37) showed up and started doing all the inspections (need to refresh my memory from the books to get the nitty gritty details but from looking at reference rifles that seems to be the case) so unless the stock is depot reworked to matched and there is some kind of depot marking to be found on the stock then the stock is gonna be 99% chance mismatched.

Depot stock stamps can be really tricky to identify but the best place to look is in the wrist, right side of the stock, stock keel and left side of the stock near the buttplate. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the rifle is legit because the more depot reworked K98K rifles known in the world, the better
Depot rifles are some very tricky beasts to verify at times. Some the of depots districts quality control absolutely sucked as well.

 

[daleyj45]

Btw I searched our reference section and WaA214 acceptance stamps were used from 1935-1938 at JP sauer, in 1939 waffenampt inspection team 37 (WaA37,e/37) showed up and started doing all the inspections (need to refresh my memory from the books to get the nitty gritty details but from looking at reference rifles that seems to be the case) so unless the stock is depot reworked to matched and there is some kind of depot marking to be found on the stock then the stock is gonna be 99% chance mismatched.

Depot stock stamps can be really tricky to identify but the best place to look is in the wrist, right side of the stock, stock keel and left side of the stock near the buttplate. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the rifle is legit because the more depot reworked K98K rifles known in the world, the better
Depot rifles are some very tricky beasts to verify at times. Some the of depots districts quality control absolutely sucked as well.

e6a5f7aa-c18a-4d20-b173-7ff5a027cdca.mp4

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heres a video, looks like the numbers dont match. prob not worth much even though it still has insignia?

 

[Jdt]

e6a5f7aa-c18a-4d20-b173-7ff5a027cdca.mp4

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heres a video, looks like the numbers dont match. prob not worth much even though it still has insignia?

If his sticker price is $850 then I'd go for it. It's definitely mismatched abit (front barrel band, magazine floor plate and I believe the trigger guard as well from what I could clearly define) BUT $850 is basically a Russian capture price tag and considering those rifles are total mismatches except the barrel and receiver and this rifle having some decent indicators its been to a depot I'd go for it. The stock finish looks like it isn't messed with either and those are worth a bit of money. It could be some kind of Sporter rescue possibly but for $850 I'd go for it and enjoy it as a shooter.

 

[Mauserguy85]

IMO, simply just not enough info to go with at the moment to make a truly accurate assessment. This much which is obvious. It’s not an original 1940 JP Sauer as would have left the factory. That’s 100%. I personally may entertain the idea towards the depot rework as mentioned above by others, but without detailed pics of all the key areas to prove that…. Who knows? I will say, even some of the crudest depot reworks still have the firing proofs on barrel and receiver “fairly aligned” with for the most part.

Could just as well be a bubba at some point who replaced the barrel and then illegally scrubbed the original serial on the receiver which you can still kind of make out (502?), got himself a stamp die FP from Poland or Numrich and number die set and that’s that. The new serial on the receiver does not look typical wartime to me. The styling of the “7” is uncommon and on the depot reworks I’ve seen in person, the books, and references… again, the new serial is generally applied fairly straight and neat. It almost looks like a really late war serial you would expect from a BNZ 45 T or S block. The firing proof on the barrel and the e/13’s look “Gustloffwerke” to me… If it is a legit rework, the depot is most likely not the well known and documented ones like Posen, Kassel, etc.

 

[bda]

My opinion is there is too much that is unknown due to the lack of detailed pictures at this point so unless you can get it for about $800, I'd pass.

 

[Loewe]

jdt, MG & cyrano are on target, probably a Ruhrstahl ordnance spare, probably 39 or 40 (though work done much latter); strange rifle, more salvage than reworked, such queer rifles require more thorough examination to be sure of much, -without which I would avoid, not because a humper because no humper is this good, but flipping would be tough on such a dog...