Imperial Air Service 1918 Spandau LMG 08/15 #320b

chrisftk

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Hi guys,

This was offered to me by a friend recently and always thought these were a neat variant of German Maxims. The LMG 08/15 was one of a couple MGs isssued to the air service. Spandau Arsenal appears to be the sole manufacturer of the this variant, leading to this model sometimes being called the "Spandau" by Entente troops who saw the name on the top plate of captured guns. They served alongside the DWM-produced Parabellum series (and some oddballs) and were an improvement on the earlier LMG08 (basically an air-cooled MG08 for planes). LMG 08/15s were typically found on single person aircraft and were mounted in pairs on the front of the aircraft (whereas the Parabellum found more use as a defensive weapon on multi-person craft). Here is how they would have been mounted on an Albatros:

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The guns would be linked to a synchronization device designed to fire through the arc of the propeller and not hit it. This was a massive advantage for the Germans when first introduced, but later became less of a factor as the Entente caught up in technology. These are naturally less common than the standard configuration 08/15s for the obvious reason that they were affixed to aircraft and would require special accommodation to mount and shoot.

This particular example is a nearly matching parts kit that is missing the right side plate (the regulated part). The lock is the only major mismatch and someone over the years scrubbed the SN off the top of the lock, leaving only the acceptance. There are a couple of parts that would have been attached to the side plate missing, particularly the device to assist the pilot with both cocking and pulling the belt into battery (versus having to manually pull the belt on the ground model). The feed block arm is broken, which was a fairly popular way to demill these pre NFA. The front cross-hair sight and booster are also missing (as seems to be the case on some of these) , but I am working on replacements.

Off the bat, you will notice differences with the ground model. First and foremost; it is air cooled (very effective at altitude and speed of a plane) and significantly lighter. The cocking handle is lighted and would have attached to the aforementioned cocking and clearing device. The rear plate is identical to that of the ground model, though there is no stock (since it was affixed to the front of the plane. You'll note the purpose built safety lever though; it operates simply by lifting up or down. The top portion of the synchronization gear is present on this example, which is a nice feature (it is the brass/steel device on the underside). You can also see the two screws on the rear of the MG attached to remnants of a cartridge counter device.

The kit came with a matching and live Krupp barrel. Based on serialization trends, this is a late one, being in the "b" block of 1918.

What follows is a detailed photo study. As usual with MGs, lots of subcontractor marks on parts.

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An enormous amount of hand fitting in that weapon. I enjoy seeing these early MG’s, mostly hewn from solid blocks of steel. Nice score Chris!
 
That's super cool and definitely not something you see every day. I really like the last picture showing the comparison between the Kar98 and this, the lasting impression I got from the one MG08/15 I've ever seen in person was the sheer size of the thing. One can only imagine how much machining, time, and effort went into putting each one of these together. Congrats on picking up such a sweet piece!
 
Very cool piece of history not commonly seen. Thanks for posting it.
An enormous amount of hand fitting in that weapon. I enjoy seeing these early MG’s, mostly hewn from solid blocks of steel. Nice score Chris!
Thanks guys-- This was something that I always was hoping to find a nice example of. It sort of fell into my lap, but sometimes the best finds happen that way.

I've always found taking Imperial MG's apart fun just from the perspective of the sheer number of parts and most of them have some sort of subcontractor trademark on them.

That's super cool and definitely not something you see every day. I really like the last picture showing the comparison between the Kar98 and this, the lasting impression I got from the one MG08/15 I've ever seen in person was the sheer size of the thing. One can only imagine how much machining, time, and effort went into putting each one of these together. Congrats on picking up such a sweet piece!
Thanks-- Yeah this thing feels like a featherweight compared to my standard 08/15 with the drum attached.

Here's a side-by-side comparison of a few other Imperial models. The 08 is deceptively small because it's not on a sled or trench mount yet. I bought the parts kit at SoS and hope to complete a nice display with it. (I don't really shoot, so all mine are parts kits or dummies)
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Oh man that is neat as heck. Love it. I used to be a huge WW1 air nerd when I was younger, and still have a massive soft spot for it. I never quite put two and two together on why you'd just see the German guns called Spandaus, but it makes perfect sense seeing it spelled out.
 
That’s a cool piece Chris….. Congrats….
The brass mixed with the steel parts in these makes for great photos IMO…These have a really neat maker/date/ serial number stamp as well.
I love the photo with your other MG examples….so cool
 
Awesome piece Chris! I saw another Spandau dummy gun at SOS that *looked* like it was a nice original matching numbers kit.

Your side parts pictures are MUCH appreciated as I dig through drawings and gauges. A picture really helps orient and identify.

So as not to distract from this thread I would like to start another, one we can compile information regarding these guns. I have many questions and I am sure many of you have the answers!
 
Oh man that is neat as heck. Love it. I used to be a huge WW1 air nerd when I was younger, and still have a massive soft spot for it. I never quite put two and two together on why you'd just see the German guns called Spandaus, but it makes perfect sense seeing it spelled out.
Thanks! I agree on the aviation side of WW1. There was just a cool vibe to it. Its not a primary focus, but I have gathered up a pretty neat collection of various odds and ends over the years. I actually keep a piece of canvas fuselage from a German plane framed hanging in my office at work and an old wooden model of an albatros nearby.

That’s a cool piece Chris….. Congrats….
The brass mixed with the steel parts in these makes for great photos IMO…These have a really neat maker/date/ serial number stamp as well.
I love the photo with your other MG examples….so cool
Thanks Jory. I do like the top cover marks. They weren't on all examples (earlier ones stamped the maker and date on the fusee spring cover on the left side) I wasn't planning it, but all 4 of my Imperial MGs are from different makers.

Small world. I know I’m stating the obvious but I see far more 08-15 Spandau ground guns than air guns.
Yeah, I'd imagine these were not a common bring back. Finding the plane and getting one of these off it was probably a pain. I get the mystique of telling tales to your family when you got back though about how you singlehandedly shot down a German plane, then going "See!" and pointing to the LMG hanging on your wall. 🤣
 
Someone really came across a downed or surrendered plane and said "I'm gonna rip that MG off and take it home!" Absolutely madlads. These guys took anything not bolted down (and apparently some things that were!!), and then did it again in WW2 LOL.

Another great pickup Chris. I like the effective adaptation of the 08/15 to service other than the LMG role. Did 08/15 production supplant MG08 production as a whole or did the Germans continue to manufacture the heavy MGs alongside the 08/15 for entrenched positions...? Would seem silly to me if they kept making the larger and heavier MG08, but would also not surprise me.
 
Someone really came across a downed or surrendered plane and said "I'm gonna rip that MG off and take it home!" Absolutely madlads. These guys took anything not bolted down (and apparently some things that were!!), and then did it again in WW2 LOL.

Another great pickup Chris. I like the effective adaptation of the 08/15 to service other than the LMG role. Did 08/15 production supplant MG08 production as a whole or did the Germans continue to manufacture the heavy MGs alongside the 08/15 for entrenched positions...? Would seem silly to me if they kept making the larger and heavier MG08, but would also not surprise me.
Thanks Alex, Yeah they definitely continued manufacturing the '08 through the end of the war. My '08 kit is actually an 18 dated DWM. The 08 was still a nice option for fixed positions.
 
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