LZA repaired Luger

RyanE

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This forum needs some more examples.

Depot built LZA guns are not exactly rare, but actual LZA repairs are really, really tough. I have only ever seen a handful. This was a DWM Luger of some kind. Damage must have been significant because the receiver required replacement (which is not common) along with the barrel and rear end of the toggle assembly. Shrapnel hits I would assume. Side plate and hold open latch are both also S/42 replacements, and the grips are unnumbered E/655 spares. Breech block is, weirdly, original to the frame. Like most of these reworked Lugers, it seems not everything was reblued. The S/42 receiver, barrel and side plate all have different types of bluing on them. Kinda neat.

Its probably impossible to say which depot did this work. It doesn't really line up with Küpper's work, so IMO its unlikely it came from there. It has some Ingolstadt made or accepted parts (Jt20 extractor and Jt18 sear bar), so I'd guess LZA Erding since both are located in Bavaria. SN Font doesn't really match up with the LZA4 K98k which I think are Erding, but it does appear very similar to fonts found on Ingolstadt repaired Lugers. Whoever did the work, I'd guess this was a later war repair from the matte reblue on the original parts that were cleaned up as well as some of the not so great fitting work.
 

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Finally had some time to look over this incredible luger. I enjoy seeing the wide variety of armorers and depot parts used to rebuild this luger. Can you run me through the firing proof process on these? Would the barrels be proofed at a location and then sent to depots to be put together and final proofed? Just trying to get a better idea of the timing of the LZA proofs.
 
Can you run me through the firing proof process on these? Would the barrels be proofed at a location and then sent to depots to be put together and final proofed? Just trying to get a better idea of the timing of the LZA proofs.

The spare receiver and spare barrel were delivered to the depot with no proofing at all unless Mauser did some testing during production. The LZA weapons workshop had all of the specialized equipment necessary to proof test repaired weapons, so they would fire it in-house with the high pressure ammo. If it passed testing, the pressure-bearing parts that were replaced would be marked with the LZA acceptance used as a Beschußstempel. Typically, any original parts that were reused and already proof tested (like the breech block on this example) were not remarked. However, you do see Army reworks (Spandau I think) that will sometimes reproof original parts.
 
Glad to see someone deserving wound up with that pistol.. Now properly listed and explained without ten paragraphs of nonsense..lol
 
IMO easily removable parts like breech blocks and toggles would be supplied to depots and armorers with factory proofing, and as Ryan states barrels and extensions would be supplied unproofed. It’s similar with 98k’s, bolt bodies were supplied proofed while receivers and barrels were not.
 
IMO easily removable parts like breech blocks and toggles would be supplied to depots and armorers with factory proofing, and as Ryan states barrels and extensions would be supplied unproofed. It’s similar with 98k’s, bolt bodies were supplied proofed while receivers and barrels were not.

The Kü Lugers all have LZA marked breech blocks, so it probably wasn't proofed before being installed. I don't think I have ever seen a marked spare breech block besides on the Küpper guns, so I'm not sure if unmarked was typical or not.
 

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