Questionable Camos

[Hambone]

I think that discussion on that helmet at GHW2 was positive and the pros and cons addressed. I didn't see any censorship, and a moderator disagreed with the helmet, some liked it, some didn't. The owner was respectful of disagreements. I've had my stuff panned before and it sucks. I think the point is to be bigger than the artifact, understanding that the general information and hobby are more important.

 

[M45]

'it has nothing to do with the condition [of] the interior vs the exterior"...

http://www.ghw2.com/topic/52429-m42-brutal-woodchip-normandy-camo-from-holland/page-4

"As Marc stated earlier [in the there] when judging a camo 'it has nothing to do with the condition [of] the interior vs the exterior of the helmet' which I wholeheartedly agree with."

Although helmet forums provide collectors with much beneficial information, they should be mindful that not everything they hear is accurate, the above advice on judging camos an example, IMO.

Many aspects should be taken into account when judging camos, the interior vs. exterior condition being one of them. I have found that when many aspects are considered together, a fairly accurate overall judgement of a camo can be made. When we start S-canning certain aspects as unimportant, we do ourselves a disservice.

While Marc may have many original helmets, I recall one of his 'Larry Marcella' camos from the past and was quite under-whelmed with what I saw, plenty of forced aging, pockmarking, etc...

 

[M45]

"As Marc stated earlier [in the there] when judging a camo 'it has nothing to do with the condition [of] the interior vs the exterior of the helmet' which I wholeheartedly agree with."

The above statement could almost be classified as 'mis-information' because the difference in interior vs. exterior condition is a key factor in spotting questionable camos. A large percentage, is seems, are comprised of a beat, worn out helmet (paint/decals/liner) (a cheap, low dollar helmet) that has been enhanced with camo/wire/decals to increase its value dramatically. Since the recently applied camo never saw combat, then of course there will be a great disparity in condition between the two (a key factor); the interior has been through WWII and the "camo" has not.

 

[M45]

This helmet is being heavily discussed at GHW2. I personally believe that it could have been enhanced post war, but the opinion is very different on this one. It is definetively questionable. My main concern is that it is a salty M42 NS helmet full of dust and cobwebs inside. The inside paint is rusty, with a liner in very poor condition. Owner think it could be a "KIA" helmet, but the outside camo is in near mint condition.

http://www.ghw2.com/topic/52429-m42-brutal-woodchip-normandy-camo-from-holland/

What is your opinion on this one?

Regards,
Rune

I guess my point is hard and fast rules are necessary, but if you're an enlightened player in this game, then you'll take some risks from time to time. The more I look at Harry's helmet, the detail shots, I'm more on a fence on it. It sure is sad that we have to pick nits like this due to helmet humping - hobo

- it could have been enhanced postwar
- I'm more on a fence on it


GHW1 was started by experienced helmet collectors back in 2008. Eight years of examining thousands or tens of thousands of helmets has given them even more experience. Now in 2016, someone takes a beat M42, mixes a 3-color Normandy scheme mixed with some woodchips and slaps it on and nearly everyone appears to be 'snake fascinated' by the modern artwork !

It reminds me of the snake fascination with the sham pain SS ruins that lasted for years; they were dazzled by a fake.


This helmet is 100% good. I owned a nice woodchip with similar features. Close up shots reveal this to be an honest helmet IMO. The problem with woodchips is as Jerry says, they do not show age and patina at first glance if they received little wear after they were painted. You have to look closely to see the tooth of time.You are very fortunate, Harry! A top shelf helmet!

 

[acer]

I like what i see :icon14: , polizei camo are so scarce and rare to see, and in winter camo :blink: ...well.... in Normandy or any other :OH-GOD: Congrats!! Iñigo


Lol!! finally somebody took one of my sentences to post it here, i was expecting something like that

M45,
Are they that stupid to think such an obvious fake could be real ?

Are you calling me one of those stupids?? are you so intelligent to steal my sentences there to fix it here?, i havent said your name, nothing else because im not interested on you, but you seems to be a liitle painful for something i cant see, is not my faul, but since you say my name and then you call me stupid you have call my attention, so c´mon show me you are more intelligent than me, until now i have seen nothing enought

 

[M45]

I like what i see :icon14: , polizei camo are so scarce and rare to see, and in winter camo :blink: ...well.... in Normandy or any other :OH-GOD: Congrats!! Iñigo

I was talking about the GHW forum in general, not anyone in particular. But since you are here, welcome!

Now in light of your great experience in the hobby (I have seen you around for some time) please explain your positive comments on that 'snow-job' camo police.

 

[acer]

Sorry, but when you copy and paste my answer in that forum to this one, keep my name and then you wonder if we are stupid, yes, is something personal.
And no, im not going to explain to you why i like it, you may study it more

 

[M45]

It was nothing personal, Acer. I have frequently done that, cutting and pasting people's words. I don't change any context, yours was a direct quote. If you stand by it, why should it be a problem if one forum wants to study comments from another ? If you want to use my real name, go ahead.

Much more troubling than this issue is your 100% vetting of this questionable snow camo. If does not conform to the way camo paint typically wears in combat. Added to this the fact that almost no authentic white painted helmets have ever been found, but loads of dubious examples pop up "out of the woodwork" all of the time. Due to all of this experience the GHW forum has as well as you own years of experience in the hobby, I am puzzled as to why you all have been so taken in by this dubious camo ? And it's not just one; they seem to roll in like the tide with nearly all positive comments lining up behind them.

 

[acer]

It was nothing personal, Acer. I have frequently done that, cutting and pasting people's words. I don't change any context, yours was a direct quote. If you stand by it, why should it be a problem if one forum wants to study comments from another ? If you want to use my real name, go ahead.

Much more troubling than this issue is your 100% vetting of this questionable snow camo. If does not conform to the way camo paint typically wears in combat. Added to this the fact that almost no authentic white painted helmets have ever been found, but loads of dubious examples pop up "out of the woodwork" all of the time. Due to all of this experience the GHW forum has as well as you own years of experience in the hobby, I am puzzled as to why you all have been so taken in by this dubious camo ? And it's not just one; they seem to roll in like the tide with nearly all positive comments lining up behind them.

Im also very puzzled how you can take the pics of helmets posted there, bringing them to here and judging them and even our replys

Well, really dont care because i dont mind and not interested in your opinion, but really puzzled how your are allowed to do that there, that´s a little frustating, i must say it. But well.....

 

[M45]

but really puzzled how your are allowed to do that there, that´s a little frustating, i must say it. But well.....

I bet it is frustrating when your GHW forum cannot control the opinions of collectors outside of it. You imply that it is somehow immoral that I discuss GHW material and comments here, but isn't the attempt to control collector thinking with peer pressure, censorship, verbal abuse and banning the real immorality ?

 

[Hambone]

but really puzzled how your are allowed to do that there, that´s a little frustating, i must say it. But well.....

I bet it is frustrating when your GHW forum cannot control the opinions of collectors outside of it. You imply that it is somehow immoral that I discuss GHW material and comments here, but isn't the attempt to control collector thinking with peer pressure, censorship, verbal abuse and banning the real immorality ?

I find that other than the attempts to enforce significant civility, which is an admirable goal, though unrealistic as it is usually inversely related to transparency and full disclosure (people who disagree argue, as a rule), I do not believe GWH2 is censored or manipulated for improper purposes. Different mods have differing methods. A more free-wheeling format, arguments and all, tends to work well for us.

 

[acer]

but really puzzled how your are allowed to do that there, that´s a little frustating, i must say it. But well.....

I bet it is frustrating when your GHW forum cannot control the opinions of collectors outside of it. You imply that it is somehow immoral that I discuss GHW material and comments here, but isn't the attempt to control collector thinking with peer pressure, censorship, verbal abuse and banning the real immorality ?

Not frustating at all, just that you play a game, which means not to apport anything to the collector community, just copy what we say there and you play with it here. When you are manipulating my opinions there, i can felt being attacked, when you post here something i say there and you wonder if we seems there stupid i feel attacked, when you post pics of camo helmets i feel that posting there my helmets there to be stolen for you to be posted them here makes me think about posting them, not for being fakes and i dont manage to see them, because as i told you, your opinion doesnt care me ( even if you have a book or not), your opinion doesnt matter or interest to me. It only makes me think how my / our pics can be stolen for somebody like you and sharing them in the net.

If you dont like how GHW 2 works you have the option of leaving there, dont worry nobody will miss you, but if you stay there telling me bla,bla,bla,bla... and you use my / our helmets to criticise them, that has a name in my dictionary, but for respet to the people here and to the mods, to avoid a problem im not searching, im going to avoid to tell you it.

Anyway i noticed you are hurt for some reason and you seems to be playing this game because i feel you betrayed for any reason

Im more smart than you, you play a dirty game

Anyway, when you are hidden in a forum, as you may be in GHW and don´t show your collection, dont apport anything just copy there and paste here, ppppffffff.....
Please, get a life

 

[M45]

Not frustating at all, just that you play a game, which means not to apport anything to the collector community,

Of course I support the collecting community Acer; my opinions just tend to differ a bit from most.

just copy what we say there and you play with it here. When you are manipulating my opinions there, i can felt being attacked, when you post here something i say there and you wonder if we seems there stupid i feel attacked, when you post pics of camo helmets i feel that posting there my helmets there to be stolen for you to be posted them here makes me think about posting them, not for being fakes and i dont manage to see them, because as i told you, your opinion doesnt care me ( even if you have a book or not), your opinion doesnt matter or interest to me. It only makes me think how my / our pics can be stolen for somebody like you and sharing them in the net.

Acer, you must realize that when you post comments and photos to a forum, it is on the internet which is available to the world. The world can see all of your helmets and statements. It's just that not everyone in the world sees issues as you and your friends do. Seeing your comments and photos posted elsewhere should not bother you at all. If you don't what the world to see them, then do not post.

Anyway i noticed you are hurt for some reason and you seems to be playing this game because i feel you betrayed for any reason

Im more smart than you, you play a dirty game

Anyway, when you are hidden in a forum, as you may be in GHW and don´t show your collection, dont apport anything just copy there and paste here, ppppffffff.....
Please, get a life

I'm just fine, thank you. I have been banned from 3 helmet forums, but this is my way of continuing to comment. I do not need to comment or post my helmets on those forums. They have made known to me that they are not interested in me, my helmets, my books, or my comments. Very well. I am content to comment elsewhere.

But since you are able to comment on GHW2, you might want to inform them that the recently posted DD Police snow camo and the M42 NS 3-color camo are most likely postwar reproductions/alterations. Unethical people who are out to take your money can reproduce these things all day long. The hobby is in great danger of being destroyed by the massive fraud and innumerable fakes that are circulating as originals.

 

[acer]

Not going to spent too much time on you, because you are a drop of water in the ocean.

I know my pics and comments can be surfering the net, but in this case, i caught you doing that.

But if you have been banned from three site of helmets, guess you may wonder what is wrong, maybe you are not that hero that comes to save the hobby.

And about your book, everybody can writte a book. But that´s is nothing, i have seen many "good " books of helmet thrown to the rubbish, they are like the C.O.A of helmets

At the same side than fakers you are also a dangerous thing for the hobby,coyping and parting here and there ( strange behaviour) anyway, is not very intelligent to come to a Mauser forum to speak of helmets, but you have answered the doubts i was having about all this matters, the reasons of posting here is because in a forum helmet if you writte what you writte here, probably as what has happened to you in another other 3 forums, is that you will be banned.
This give me the conclussion too, than while in another other forums you have been banned, in GHW2 you are still there stealing the pics and our answers.

I came to this forum, because somebody told me about this situation.

Just would like to ask to the moderators here, please, how would you feel if somebody is copying the pics of the Mausers posted here, and then they paste then in another forum, saying that somebody or another one has said and this one, even moderatos allow this or that behaviour, and of cource, your names appears there?

Just this question for mods team, please
Thanks!

P.S. I would give you my last advice. If you really are a collector. Enjoy it and collect what you want, but, please, leave to others collectors to follow his way and built your same way, i see you are suffering

 

[Hambone]

Acer,
Many of us have been banned from WAF. We wear that as a badge of honor because it means we don't agree with censorship and are not waftarded. IMHO, I look at someone who participates frequently at WAF and has not been suspended or banned as someone who doesn't know what is going on or doesn't speak up.

We run an open forum here. People with opinions are required to substantiate them. People can have negative opinions about artifacts and are free to debate those.
Regards,
HB

 

[Warrior1354]

Can't agree more Hambone everyone has the right too voice their opinion here without the threat of being banned or censored. Way would any collector waste their time on a forum that threats too ban, suspense, or censer you when you don't agree with them.

For what I have seen on the WAF in the helmet community. Its pretty sad for people too comment how great some helmet is when a bunch of people know its fake or the person who posted it made the fake. Thats know different if Mausers were being posted here that were faked and we were saying how great they are. Even worse that the mods were making them and putting paperwork with them. When they sold them too people.

 

[M45]

A good number of camos around...

GHW2 "Lessons on how to determine camo authenticity"

#1. Judging a camo has nothing to do with the interior vs. the exterior.

#2. There were a good number of camos around in the '70s. Like old bottles, some types thought to be super rare have been found to be more abundant.



White medical DRK red cross and white painted snow camos come to mind. Originally though to be extremely rare, now with the internet they are being found left and right 'out of the woodwork'.

Don't you worry collectors, about those white DRK and snow camos. They are not as rare as once thought. A stroll through this thread will show you that.



This is one of the very few medic helmets which I judged as real from the second I laid my eyes on it. - Ken N.

 

[M45]

M42 single decal winter/snow camo

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=873225

FROM A WW2 VET ESTATE...ANY THOUGHTS..YOU CAN SEE THE WHITE HAS YELLOWED SIGNIFICANTLY...


A winter camo posted on WAF. They caught this one, somewhat surprising considering the others that are getting through there and elsewhere.

Very well distributed wear, crown wear a bit more. It looks like chemical treatment of some type. The scratches do not help. Another original SD M42 destroyed.

 

[Spoof]

How about this one? Owner calls it a one looker. I call it a one looker dud.

http://www.ghw2.com/topic/52527-one-look-wire-m35-dd-lw-2-tone-camo/

 

[M45]

Normandy beach Camo 3 color

http://www.ebay.com/itm/German-WW-2...654706?hash=item1c6c2825b2:g:sEgAAOSwRoxXm8ay

Rare original new to Ebay. Came out of an estate from Colorado. This helmet didn't sit out the war, This was in heavy combat - front lines- Normandy beach !! SALTY German WW 2 Normandy 3 color camo helmet. Split pins are tight, and liner is original to helmet. Liner shows heavy wear from use, solid, but complete. Helmet initialed by German soldier D N during WW 2. Chin strap dated 42. This looks like a M40 helmet. Chin strap has a tear on the long end where it attaches to helmet. Helmet has nice colors. Shows a single decal at one time. ET 64 ?? hard to make out. Look my pictures over for best description.

Price:
US $1,950.00