S/147K on Forgotten Weapons

Watched his video and found it interesting. Didn't realized only "800-1600" 's/147/g's were made in early 1935. Not to be confused with 'S/147/G'. Based on s/n ranges for these s/147/k rifles in the video, it would seem s/147/g (again lower case) is even less common? I have s/n 233a of an s/147/g (not all matching - don't get too excited) which is why I now am obligated to give a crap about these early ones.
 
bruce98k said:
Nice marketing technique...wonder who reached out to who...
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I bet McCollum picked the rifle (many more expensive guns are sold on this day - May 18).

The description is a masterpiece (exceptionally scarce, highest recorded, extremely early)
It looks like the ekspurt at Morphy needs copies of your books :LOL:.
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Just watched the video. In it Ian insinuate that lots of the civil contract guns (DRP/DR Banner K's, the RFV marked S/147K's etc.) ended up going to the army anyways, and that the civil contract thing was just a bit of faint to produce rifles. Is this really the case? I don't remember reading that anywhere. Seems an odd assertion to me.
 
hale1940 said:
Just watched the video. In it Ian insinuate that lots of the civil contract guns (DRP/DR Banner K's, the RFV marked S/147K's etc.) ended up going to the army anyways, and that the civil contract thing was just a bit of faint to produce rifles. Is this really the case? I don't remember reading that anywhere. Seems an odd assertion to me.
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I actually wondered about that too. He shows one with a Heer marked stock IIRC.
 
hale1940 said:
Just watched the video. In it Ian insinuate that lots of the civil contract guns (DRP/DR Banner K's, the RFV marked S/147K's etc.) ended up going to the army anyways, and that the civil contract thing was just a bit of faint to produce rifles. Is this really the case? I don't remember reading that anywhere. Seems an odd assertion to me.
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Not really, no. The reason so many original K dates are RFV marked is that those guns were actually sent to the border guards (Zollgrenzschutz) and saw little use. I would guess that most K dates that went to the army were reworked at some point or simply lost. For the same reason, you can find DR and DRP Mausers in very nice original shape. They sat out the war in Reichsbahn depots or guard barracks.

The Army didn't have to stoop to faking deliveries to civil organizations, certainly not after 1933. The National Socialists were not shy about their position on rearmament, and while they may have needed to be careful about strategic weapons (surface navy, air force), I don't think there was of a point in hiding rifles.
 
Besides what Ryan noted, the actual numbers of rifles routed to the Police and guard units were miniscule compared to the Heer contracts.
There were diverted military contract rifles (ie. DRP issued S/42G and S/42 1936) but these are very limited.

We are probably looking at near 25,000 rifles total for all of these units combined (DR, DRP, RFV).

The high survivor rate of these guns backs up the assumption that Ryan makes as well.
 
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Well it looks like the original owner's investment didn't pay off real well. Rifle was purchased for $8000, add 23% premiums, then shipping he had pretty close to $10,000 in this rifle. Sells it through Murphy's auction house three years later. That auction house takes their percentage of your sale when it sells. And it was even hosted on a YouTube channel. I doubt that was free to bring up the advertising on the rifle. And, when it came up for auction your sale only brought $5,500. Will say if the auction house took their cut, you're probably looking at $1,000 from that price or more. Still if you really start thinking about it. The original owner probably lost about $5,000 in this or more.
 
There have been an unusually high number of s/147/k rifles for sale in the last few years, so a saturated market. People who buy to flip stuff like this are their own worst enemy - they believe if someone else is bidding it up then it’s worth that price, but others see that price and go to sell theirs. Then the market is flooded and buyers belive it’s not an uncommon find. The reality is these are hard to find, so someone got a decent deal.
 
mrfarb said:
There have been an unusually high number of s/147/k rifles for sale in the last few years, so a saturated market. People who buy to flip stuff like this are their own worst enemy - they believe if someone else is bidding it up then it’s worth that price, but others see that price and go to sell theirs. Then the market is flooded and buyers belive it’s not an uncommon find. The reality is these are hard to find, so someone got a decent deal.
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Yes, the new owner got a deal:

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Mike I 100% agree with that. Right now poulin's auction is a perfect example. The ones that have been showing up on GunBroker as of now. Well, their bringing the big money that dealer was hoping for. Many are piles of crap, and if a certain buyer realizes he bought a pile of crap. More then likely he'll send it back for full refund, and then you're stuck with a pile of crap. We've noticed when dealers can't get rid of certain pieces on GunBroker where do they end up back again? Another auction house.
 
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