Saxon Chassepot Mod. 73 Carbine SN 11

chrisftk

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We've had a few Prussian reworks come through the forum in recent years (both needle and converted variants), but here is one that doesn't show up too often; the Saxon attempt at a carbine chambered in 11x60.

As with Prussia, the Saxon military decided to make use of the vast number of captured Chassepot rifles from the Franco-Prussian War. During the war, Saxon cavalry had made use of a reasonably modern, but flawed carbine; the M65. This model utilized a breechloading action modeled after the Terry system and was fired with a percussion cap. The performance of this model was lackluster and I find the action is finicky to manipulate (albeit very unique!)
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Attempting to bring their armament to a more current standard while a more permanent fix could be adopted, the Saxons converted approximately 10,000 Chassepot rifles to a Mod. 73 configuration. These carbines served primarily in a cavalry role but train units and police were also allocated some on a more limited basis.

This conversion was much different than the Prussian versions, or the trials models the Bavarians experimented with. First, the Mod 73 had a half-stock configuration with most of the barrel exposed. Secondly, the French markings were more or less scrubbed and new ones applied. The bolt was much more ornate than the Prussian rebuilds, though it lacked a gas shield. There was, however, a safety mechanism added on the left side of the receiver. When the safety was engaged, the bolt was locked and the carbine could not be fired.
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Initially, there were no sling swivels/loops, but according to Storz, after 1876, the sling provisions were added as the old carbine hook method of carrying the weapon was phased out.

The Saxons were apparently proud of their conversion and it was evaluated by both the Bavarians and Prussians-- Storz notes the Bavarians were less than impressed and evaluated it only to validate it's "unsuitability". The Prussians were kinder and ranked it "satisfactory"--albeit not without noting design flaws.

In 1881, the Saxons finally began to acquire Kar71s, gradually phasing out the stop-gap chassepots. The Mod 73 was produced in relatively small numbers and most of the ones issued to cavalry were scrapped long before WW1. The survival rate was extremely low, though there are a number of documented examples.

This particular carbine is SN 11 and is matching, as built. The wood is in exceptional condition, though the metal has fine pitting on the barrel and parts of the receiver. It is my belief that the pitting predates the rework, as there are parts where the rust blue is over pitting. There is not a unit marking on the buttplate.


In any case, just wanted to share--

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Very interesting and informative post Chris. Where do you find this stuff? You should start your own museum.
I was trying to imagine how the front site is retained. Impressive sir!
 
Very interesting and informative post Chris. Where do you find this stuff? You should start your own museum.
I was trying to imagine how the front site is retained. Impressive sir!

Thanks Rick for the kind words! I figure these weird little footnote weapons aren't of interest to many, but I like to tell their story nonetheless. I kind of see these posts as sort of a virtual museum (next best thing, right?) I'm not in this for the attention; teaching folks something new or helping the hobby uncover new info are
the parts I enjoy.

I'm fairly certain the front sight base was soldered on. I am not sure if there is a set screw underneath, but I doubt it. I had to knock a bubba sight of a Werder once to replace it and it was just straight soldered and no screw hole.
 
I am not knowledgeable enough to intelligently comment on many of these footnote weapons. However I do always look at your posts and enjoy your descriptions and history. Cheers! Always something to pick up and learn. That’s why I visit this sight on a daily basis
 
I am not knowledgeable enough to intelligently comment on many of these footnote weapons. However I do always look at your posts and enjoy your descriptions and history. Cheers! Always something to pick up and learn. That’s why I visit this sight on a daily basis
This is exactly why I enjoy learning of these obscure weapons. Personally I enjoy watching the timeline progression of all types of firearms, to include modern day weapons. All periods have much to give.
 
I am not knowledgeable enough to intelligently comment on many of these footnote weapons. However I do always look at your posts and enjoy your descriptions and history. Cheers! Always something to pick up and learn. That’s why I visit this sight on a daily basis
Thanks Jory, I'm glad you enjoy reading them- Maybe one of these days I'll get you to grab a few Pre-1898 rifles.

This is exactly why I enjoy learning of these obscure weapons. Personally I enjoy watching the timeline progression of all types of firearms, to include modern day weapons. All periods have much to give.
I agree completely-- I find one of the most interesting period with regard to firearms development is around 1850-1900. So many giant leaps forward and I doubt there was another period with so many formative discoveries (reliable breechloading, repeaters, metallic cartridges and smokeless powder being the biggest. )

I like doing some of these shots to show progression from percussion caps to the Gew98.

Prussian infantry weapons
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What an awesome carbine! Only one I have seen other than when I handled Craig Brown’s example when he was still with us. Such a rare piece, nice work!
 
What an awesome carbine! Only one I have seen other than when I handled Craig Brown’s example when he was still with us. Such a rare piece, nice work!
Thanks Nick-- I enjoy these whacky pre-WW1 variants. I'd been looking for a bit so it was nice when one worked it's way out of the ether--- and a pretty one to boot!
 
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