SS/rzm croupon 48/36 marked bayonet frog

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This one was showed on a Belgian military forum.
The bayonet and frog were found together with 2 gasmasks 30 years ago in a basement of a hotel when it was sold (the hotel).
Can anyone explane this markings? Real, what do they mean? Fake, so be it.
Someone told us that the "croupon"mark is used on leather of high quality...
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How is marked the bayonet? looks like a nice piece, about the SS marking on frog, i saw similar real marking but on other position, but i am not experts on frogs. b.r.Andy
 
Interesting bayonet & frog. I, too, would like to know what markings are on the other side of the bayonet & scabbard. As for the frog markings, the SS property stamp is similar to a known example. The difference is the marking on that frog consists of a double circle with SS in the center 78 34 and a second double circle with R Z (over) M marking inside. However, starting with the feet of the "M", it forms the inner circle. The bayonet which was found in the scabbard was a EuF Horster behoerden bearing the "Dagger-H" trademark, and appears to have been blued after the fact. Regarding the "CROUPON"marking, I could find no reference or detect language. It almost sounds French (maybe because a close cousin would be "Crouton").
 
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Hard to tell from the picture if that stamp is period applied or post war. I believe it is original, but not 100% sure. Here is one on my frog for comparison
 

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Unfortunally dont visible good the details, or its a doubble strike, 419 or 46?/38. b.r.Andy
 
tokarev38 said:
Hard to tell from the picture if that stamp is period applied or post war. I believe it is original, but not 100% sure. Here is one on my frog for comparison
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Appears both frogs are aged and unmarked other than the SS/RZM acceptance marking (other than CROUPON on the first). This type of marking was likely discontinued by 1940 for such items. Later SS contracts for equipment like holsters, frogs, etc. probably were "hidden" by use of contract numbers only. In addition, some items may have the manufacturer's name, contract# or be unattributed, but upon acceptance were stamped with a small set of (non-circled) SS runes.
 
Not sure, but so far I've only seen the small SS runes (non circled) on very early stuff.
Usually: V.A. SS (runes) "year"
From my very limited observations only until 1936.
 
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