Two Optic came near Cassino and other material , Please Opinion

[ammo8x57js]

dear and esteemed,
a month ago 'I came across a flea market in a small town near Cassino (Roccasecca) and with my usual "asshole" I did deliver this material to be a lord of the area, the ammunition are still "live" and have diffrent hears and factory , i' seemed to see even ammunition cecolosvacce, 1938, however, I will open 'a tred for this ammunition include photos and numbers of manufacturer , my question primary are on the two telescopes are German or are post-war era ?? , even the seller did not know, Please give me a hand.
Many Thanks
Kinderly Luca form Italy

 

[ammo8x57js]

pic's about scope

 

[ammo8x57js]

the second optic ..

 

[Nigromontanus]

and with my usual "asshole" I did deliver this material to be a lord of the area

... I like the way you tell a story, even though I am not sure I am capable to do it the same bloomy way, , but as to your question, these scopes are not military, sorry

 

[ammo8x57js]

Thanks

Nigromontanus ,i dont know your name ,

ok the skope are not military , are civilian use ? and are WWII period , is possible to have any other information about this scope , this is
only for my self , ther is any book about civilian or Not military scope ? , now i remember i have the book about K98 in my father home , 30 minute with my car and i came back , looking on this book .

many thanks for your reply are appreciate , i'm sure if you want german material in family hose , the asshole came out......hahaha

 

[Nigromontanus]

.. the scopes are both commercial, before 1939.... hunting scopes

 

[Old_glass]

The Gerard C is probably pre-WWI. Not sure about the Skopar F, but probably early 20s. The Gerard looks like it has been heavily polished and reblued. The Skopar appears original in finish. The only way these could have any military association would be as scopes from commandeered German sporting rifles from WWI, but in the case of the Voigtlander even that is very doubtful. You could research the gunsmith in Darmstadt if you wished.