What is this?? VZ 24??

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ZF41 K98k

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Hello,

I would like to find out some more information about this rifle, and what model it actually is. It has the receiver markings like I have seen on a VZ 24, but the rear sight, stock and bolt all seem to be the K98k type?? Some of the markings on the gun are British proof markings, so don't worry about those.

Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks

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Odd rifle:
milled bands, KM "blued" buttplate, no takedown disc, waffenamts....
Also the sling band is installed the wrong way.
I think those receivers were made before WW2, maybe recycled after 98k production begun after the German invasion in Czechoslovakia?
Someone else may know more.
 
That's exactly what is making it so confusing to me... yet it has a matching K98 bolt? Any more info would be greatly appreciated, but thanks for the help so far! :thumbsup:
 
Neat action ZF. Looks like the barreled action could be a depot/HZa rework of a Vz.24 into a K98k, but the stock has been replaced, perhaps bands added.
 
Stock is not correct, and front band looks renumbered to me. Bolt could be good, but I can't tell because of the glare.

Wehrkreis XXI depot was located at Posen, where this rifle was built out of spare parts in 1941/42. I have seen a handful of these depot guns built on salvaged or spare Czech receivers.
 
They also turn up built by Brno I (dot) as K98ks. I agree with Ryan, as previously stated.
 
BNP remind me the italian Banco Nazionale Prova (Gardone Valtrompia)_ here has arrived a fair number of post-war CZ semi-kriegsmodell in good/new conditions, equipped w.the same stock, builded with some wartime spare parts (mostly barrels), sheet-metal stamped large and closed triggerguard _ very low retail prices_ (one of them is now my racing rifle, after replacing the triggerguard w. an older version like this posted in the pictures)_ All the specimens I've seen have some minor poor manufacture fault,bolt & action matching numbers,heavily greased, some waa around, perhaps, but I'm sure no way a German Inspector could pass them, on the ol'days_
Please, will forgive my non-existent grammar, of course...
 
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I agree on the Posen depot rebuild, but is that a '1.TRZ' stamp on the right side of the butt stock?
Pat
 
Firstly, a big thanks to all for taking a look and providing the information, I would never have guessed it being a depot build!
 
RyanE said:
Stock is not correct, and front band looks renumbered to me. Bolt could be good, but I can't tell because of the glare.

Wehrkreis XXI depot was located at Posen, where this rifle was built out of spare parts in 1941/42. I have seen a handful of these depot guns built on salvaged or spare Czech receivers.
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Right I didn't think the stock would be correct, but it looks to be a nice stock all the same. Would I be right in thinking that it should have a standard mid war K98 laminated stock then? Possibly with WaA 63 for dot or is this totally different?

As for the bands, I'm not sure but is there no chance they could be original? The thing that makes me say this is that the condition which has a little bit of pitting appears to be 'over' the numbering if that makes sense, i.e it occurred after numbering? I'll try and get some better pics of the bolt.

Thanks for the name of the place and the year, that helps a lot! I've never seen another like this, hence it caught my eye when I saw it. Many thanks again
 
wilecoyote said:
BNP remind me the italian Banco Nazionale Prova (Gardone Valtrompia)
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Hello, I don't want to disregard your comment in anyway, and I appreciate you giving a different perspective but the BNP proof marks you see are "British Nitro Proof" markings. Thanks
 
Pat said:
I agree on the Posen depot rebuild, but is that a '1.TRZ' stamp on the right side of the butt stock?
Pat
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Hi Pat, I have no idea about that marking but it (when I zoomed in on the picture) did catch my eye, as I was trying, in vain it seems to spot any waffenampts on the stock. I think what it's crying out for here is for me to try and get a few more pictures of certain areas, and go from there.

If the stock was marked up as you mention with '1.TRZ', may I ask what that would signify? Thanks again
 
ZF41 K98k said:
Right I didn't think the stock would be correct, but it looks to be a nice stock all the same. Would I be right in thinking that it should have a standard mid war K98 laminated stock then? Possibly with WaA 63 for dot or is this totally different?
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Stock would likely have been an early laminate armorer's spare stock with a flat buttplate.
 
RyanE said:
The stocks were numbered by the depot after install.
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Great, thanks! So it would be OK with a numbered stock, easier to find - but to get the matching one is nigh on impossible! Either way, it'd leave me with a nice 98k stock left over! Cheers

Oh and btw do you or anyone else have any pictures of another one of these in this converted configuration - how rare are these things?? It would be great to see.
 
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ZF41 K98k said:
Hi Pat, I have no idea about that marking but it (when I zoomed in on the picture) did catch my eye, as I was trying, in vain it seems to spot any waffenampts on the stock. I think what it's crying out for here is for me to try and get a few more pictures of certain areas, and go from there.

If the stock was marked up as you mention with '1.TRZ', may I ask what that would signify? Thanks again
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I can't see it in the provided pic, but it's about the same size and placement for the '1.TRZ' stamp. The latter is attributed to a post-war Communist facility in Hadzicki, Yugoslavia. The stamp has always been found on stocks, leading to the current speculation that they repaired and/or provided replacement stocks for rifles. Although the Yugoslavs fabricated their own replacement stocks for K98k, M24/47 and M48 rifles, it's also speculated that stock repairs were done at Hadzicki, and the stocks stamped with the '1.TRZ' mark following the repair. These are also present on Model 59 SKS rifles, and I believe on the M59/66 series.
Pat
 
ZF41 K98k said:
Hello, I don't want to disregard your comment in anyway, and I appreciate you giving a different perspective but the BNP proof marks you see are "British Nitro Proof" markings. Thanks
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ZF41 K98k: thank you about the straightening_(thanks to God I don't have identified the XXI as an ol'italian fascist marking...)_
... two threads only and two faults of mine: I think I'm makin'better than the "real" Wile Coyote...
 
wilecoyote said:
ZF41 K98k: thank you about the straightening_(thanks to God I don't have identified the XXI as an ol'italian fascist marking...)_
... two threads only and two faults of mine: I think I'm makin'better than the "real" Wile Coyote...
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No worries at all mate, and welcome to the forum! Many thanks :thumbsup:
 
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