Ryan, you confuse other sites and forums with ours. What you are doing is how I got banned from WAF and Gunboards. You naively assume that everyone wants the truth.
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This was what I was posting before the thread lock:
The problem is that the fakery, at a very high level of sophistication at times, has been going on for over 30 years. People compare fakes to fakes. There are all kinds of things going on behind the scenes and there are those quite heavily invested in fakes and reputations are at stake. If a forum or site censors such discussions for the stated reason of “maintaining civility,” then the question becomes what one values more, truth or “civility”? Feigned “civility” is how the Great Champagne Rune Fraud lasted 30+ years in helmet collecting. I’ve been admin and moderating collector forums in one form or another for 30 years. You can’t have “civility” and truth co-exist completely. That’s because the flak is always heaviest over the target.
After awhile though, transparency and truth smooth out the edges because those who intentionally create problems to lock a thread or invoke censorship realize that strategy not only fails but backfires. This is a discussion and debate that IMHO needs an open, transparent, and comprehensive hashing out for the integrity of the hobby.
"1942 Krieghoff" on GB: Define "Fake"?!
How do you say "fake" without using the word "fake"? Ans. "I'm selling this Krieghoff 1942 Luger for an 83 old gentleman who recently had a stroke and needs the money. Therefore, since it doesn't belong to me it's being sold as is with no returns or refunds."...
www.lugerforums.com
This was what I was posting before the thread lock:
The problem is that the fakery, at a very high level of sophistication at times, has been going on for over 30 years. People compare fakes to fakes. There are all kinds of things going on behind the scenes and there are those quite heavily invested in fakes and reputations are at stake. If a forum or site censors such discussions for the stated reason of “maintaining civility,” then the question becomes what one values more, truth or “civility”? Feigned “civility” is how the Great Champagne Rune Fraud lasted 30+ years in helmet collecting. I’ve been admin and moderating collector forums in one form or another for 30 years. You can’t have “civility” and truth co-exist completely. That’s because the flak is always heaviest over the target.
After awhile though, transparency and truth smooth out the edges because those who intentionally create problems to lock a thread or invoke censorship realize that strategy not only fails but backfires. This is a discussion and debate that IMHO needs an open, transparent, and comprehensive hashing out for the integrity of the hobby.
If you persist in bucking that system you’re going to get suspended and then banned. It matters not how “diplomatic” you choose to be because the rules will be interpreted liberally against you and conservatively against your assailants. The truth antagonizes those against whom it operates more than anything. Hence the tyranny and abuses we see in the world today.
