Thuringen .22 DSM-34 SA stamped

1Historynut

1Historynut

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I have an opportunity to buy this Sports Model rifle. Excellent condition, matching. What kind of premium does the SA stamp warrant? Is Thüringen/Walther one in the same? I'm no expert on these.
Thank you,
Mike
 

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That is a desirable trainer and I would like to see more detailed pictures. I don't really want to comment on price.
 
Would love to see additional photos. Greenhearts are a good property, and the SA stamp adds to value. Condition is always the first consideration, and additional features (rarity, unusual markings, scarcity, etc.) add to value. Post more photos if you can. High or low number?

Steve
 
The serial number is 623. Were the bolts S/N'd or not? I've asked the owner for some more pictures before I make a move on it.. I have seen it in person and the condition was excellent as I recall.
 
Crappy Ipad pictures but you get the idea. Finish is 95% plus I would say. No cracks or repairs to stock.
 

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I have a much higher serial number and my bolt is not numbered. Both the receiver and the barrel are numbered.
 
The Owner states there is no number on the barrel or bolt . Unless it is underneath and he is not going to take it apart to see. Also said that # 323 could be #823.
 
I see he has some other German as well as Japanese items. The bottom Arasaka is very collectable and the cleaning kit might be a 22lr kit if it was with the trainer.
Those are not very common either.
 
The Arisaka take-down is not for sale. Don't know about the other piece. I like that Gorget he has hanging there too.
 
Whether 323, 623, or 823 (?) it is a low number. They were an early producer, and it was made in 1934. Other markings on it could tell much more. The only numbered bolts I have seen in these have been non-matching replacements, as I recall.

Steve
 
All the Zella Mellis rifles share that same type proofing. The key is the serial range and type. There are 2 distinct variants of the Green Heart dsm34's. S/a property mark does add value. How much depends on the individual.
 
The two consortia were in the DSM game immediately. Restarting consortium production was one of the chief reasons behind the trainer program, after all. Shortly thereafter, they were making K98ks and other war materials. They went on to RWM contracts which were more profitable for them.
Don't know that I would say there were two distinct variations in "Greenheart" DSMs; it does appear as if Foss may have assembled some of the first ones at Venus prior to handing that job to Weihrauch. Marking location on guns was not consistent with early production guns. After the consortium quit making these (first makers were Mauser, Walther, Erma, Simson, Menz, and the two consortia), Weihrauch continued producing in Zella-Mehlis until signing a contract for the KKW. They were required to "cease and desist" on DSMs or parts, with that act. Anyway, with about 6500 total Greenheart-marked DSMs, they are a precious piece of history.

Steve
 
1Historynut said:
I have an opportunity to buy this Sports Model rifle. Excellent condition, matching. What kind of premium does the SA stamp warrant? Is Thüringen/Walther one in the same? I'm no expert on these.
Thank you,
Mike
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Neglected to answer part of your question. Carl Walther produced DSMs independently of the consortium. Walther may have bought some small springs, pins, etc. from others, but almost certainly did not provide any materials for the Thüringen consortium makers.

Steve
 
luftmacher said:
Neglected to answer part of your question. Carl Walther produced DSMs independently of the consortium. Walther may have bought some small springs, pins, etc. from others, but almost certainly did not provide any materials for the Thüringen consortium makers.

Steve
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The reason I asked is that I saw a listing at a respected auction House that listed a simliar rifle as a Thüringen/Walther. Who knows why.
 
Understandable mistake, I suppose. Many of the gun makers in Zella-Mehlis used the pine tree/heart logo in their advertising, and it may stem from that practice.

Steve

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